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Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

Non-EnglishGibson:

When I train teachers with English skills as poor as yours, I generally counsel them to do a refresher course. But if they are at the EF level (as you are), I usually don't bother. What's the point?

chadpearson · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 9 Location: CHINA

Ok, first off, I don't appreciate the "brain-dead" remark. But whatever, I'm an insulting SOB sometimes too.

Hot shot? Is that some kind of spicy shooter? Come on man, I'm nothing more than a competent teacher who doesn't whine.

As for why I'm not the "official" DOS of Huizhou, it's because I'm doing the job on a trial basis to see if I like it and if I am suited for it. This is a mutual decision between myself and my employer.

I don't like to jump into a position and find out I suck at it or am just not patient enough to do it.

I really enjoy being a teacher and haven't made the leap to DOS within EF for that reason alone. I've seen a lot of stressed out, unhappy people in the DOS role, so I'm taking it slow. I've only got less than three months left on my current contract anyway, so instead of signing on for an additional year right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to learn the ropes properly and then make a decision. If management here feels I'm capable and I'm happy, then it will happen.

You may see it as me being taken advantage of, but I don't feel that way at all. I'm simply going through a learning process. I don't want to be one of those confused DOS people who don't know what's going on.

Anyway, I appreciated your post, it had some good points in it. As for the paperwork that goes on between the PSB and the school or the Shanghai Head Office and the school, I don't worry about that. After all, I'm not the owner.

By the way Gibson, it's been brought to my attention that you were dismissed not for your high moral standards, as you allude to, but because you were recruiting students for your new "Speak English" school while still working for EF. This is from former teachers of EF Huizhou, some of whom you recruited and "trained" (ha!).

By the way, nice photo on your school's sign, Gibson. Congratulations on securing Santa Claus as a teacher!

boxcarwilly · Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 85

A good friend and perhaps one of the best English teachers in this town just got a response from EF here. He had already signed a part time contract for a local college and was told by EF that they don't hire part timers who work part time elsewhere. There are very few white faces here so I find this hilarious. Apparently it doesn't matter how good you are or that your teaching might actually retain students.
It is important to be patient with EF, no matter how it might look about their expansion, they style will eventually bury them because great teachers do make a difference.

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Henry, my “background” and my parents, grandparents, grand-grand parents to you are remarkably important as well as the EF English First threads on the forum are. Further more, your persistence to attack me as well as some other users of the forums is becoming rather legendary here. Honestly, I have no idea who you are and I do not care whatsoever, but if it really is true that you’ve been “involved” with the EF English First organization then you should come forward here on the forum.
Henry, have we met before? Have we worked together before? Why are you trying to drum up some support from other users (against me) by using forum’s PM and sending messages to them? It has been brought up to my attention recently. You could send me a message and tell me what is wrong, could you not?
Now, let us know your 007 roles, will ya?
By the way, I kind of like some of your postings on other threads, although they often are confrontational.

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Also, if the management there is so good, how come Mark Rendell recently wrote to Lucy Li 'reminding' her that all students have to be placed on the nation-wide enrolment system? quote]

That'll never happen in EF centers, especially EF Huizhou.

Chad, my dismissal with EF Huizhou and your present employer have been documented and there are copies, although you do not have one, do you? It was well noted by your employer that we had “different views” on the business. Of course our views were different, when your employer wanted me to withhold as much as possible for the Head Office. When the Monthly DOS reports began, your employer freaked and asked me not to follow up. When I did, your employer asked me to provide her with a copy. Your employer was especially concerned about my exact reports of the number of teachers in EF Huizhou. But what would you know? Your employer is checking you out now and that is the fact. If you are able to follow her/her bully’s husband’s instructions and are as compliant (flexible as you employer says) as possible, you will succeed in that unenviable position in EF Huizhou. Why do you think, the EF Huizhou has not got a DOS now? Why do you think that they advertise on sites themselves and they don’t ask Shanghai’s EF Head Office to find a DOS for them?

In EF Huizhou Chad, do you write (or who does) the Monthly DOS reports to EF Head Office? Do you fill in the monthly teachers’ academic hours report for EF Head Office? Do you write the teachers’ weekly schedules? Do you get/check/follow the students’ “comments or personal touch” reports? Do you advertise together with your marketing manager? Is it still that incompetent and ridiculous Warren? Have you had a chance to “design” a Business Course for TCL there? Is your employer finally planning to join the EF Corporate with Shanghai or not? (I guess not) Most of the sales are pocketed by your employer and what royalty fees shmoralty fees (who cares?).

Cheers and beers

dafc · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 4

I really enjoy being a teacher and haven't made the leap to DOS within EF for that reason alone.

Being a little bit dishonest here aren't you Chad? So you've never been a DoS at an EF school then?

chadpearson · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 9 Location: CHINA

dafc

I'm not being dishonest at all. I didn't sign a contract in Warsaw, I was only there on a tourist visa. So there you go, smart guy.

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

Non-English Gibson,

I have never had a connection with any EF anywhere in the world. In fact, I have never been associated with any private language school, academy, institution or chain. Transverse Tony was just spouting his typically insecure, paranoid, envious ravings. If I were you, I wouldn't believe anything he says (but fortunately I am not you).

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Keath · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

So long as Luci Li and her husband are operating schools in Huizhou we will continue to strongly advise against all teachers working for EF Huizhou and Joy School Huizhou.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

That as you say "Joy School Huizhou" is actually not operating under that name, but under the name Enjoy English and it is in Huyian, which is part of Huizhou. Huyian is more than half an hour away from the city of Huizhou though. The school's ownership sometimes advertises on this site as well and they've just posted an add (a few days ago I think) for a position at that particular school in Huyian. So, job seekers watch out!

Cheers and beers