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cj750
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing
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Freelancing would involve working for several diffrent employers or holding contract for several companies...how could this be anywhere near legal...come on and protect yourself and stop worring about the "street cred"...if you are freelancing ..take a good long look over your tail feathers...
man ..if you are gonna break the law...your suspose to act like your breaking the law..and not like someone is gonna provide a safe haven..(Like the Hole in the Wall Gang) to work in a country that has employment laws..however lax...I cannot tel you how many times some "law" has crept up and hit me from behind and always taking bites out of my wallet..I just got a email from a friend in Hong Kong..who's boss put off getting her the proper visa..she had an L...which was susposed to be changed to a z..you know the drill..a week or so ago...she felt sick and didnt go to work..on the exact day of a Labor Raid...she came back to the mainland and well return to her home country...sometimes...you better get while the gettin is good... |
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Yahnena
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Posts: 48
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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cj750, thanks for your input, but i've moved on and will stop watching this topic.
cheers |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 9138
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: roger twister |
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roger, you're the one twisting and twisting, an interesting psychological phenomenon actually.
i want a LAW that prohibits ......... you cannot give me one, but instead
PS: conclusion: self-employment for legally residing foreigners including FTs is LEGAL in china and no law says it is ILLEGAL to give private lessons. it has not been proven otherwise so far |
No, I have twisted nothing and no argument. You asked an either-or question, which I answered truthfully and to the point; you also demanded to know the rationale behind such a ban, and again I obliged;it has been YOU THAT HAS CONSISTENTLY REFUSED TO ACCEPT ANY ANSWER that was forthcoming. You have demonstrated a childish behaviour by finding new loopholes that I hadn't answered in previous post.
I seriously think your argumentation is disingenious!
Here is a question to all those I-believe-I-know-it-betters: isn't a freelance hack, TEFLer, even a peasant, an "enterpreneur"? And isn't the definition of an enterpreneur that he has a premises recognisable as his occupational abode? The peasant has his farm, the hack has his office, the freelance TEFLer ought to have an office too.
He should therefor get REGISTRATION, pay a licence fee for a defined period of time and report his finances for tax evaluation.
What's more, his CLIENTS DESERVE CONSUMER PROTECTION! Teachers have a teachers union (at least in some countries), consumers have - including the Chinese ones! - consumer organisations that help them get their rights preserved!
More on the same: www.dezshira.com
Go back to your own country and ask such questions! The legal rationale in the West normally is what is not explicitly banned is allowed; in China, hwoever, it is rather WHAT IS NOT EXPLICITLY ALLOWED IS BANNED - ask the many journalists who found themselves detained for "sharing state secrets" when they merely publicised what is in a published government gazette!
You could demonstrate a little more adult seriousness by thinking: why should a foreign country like CHina allow foreigners like you to practise a "profession" that has to be approved when said foreigners apply for a government school job? Why should any foreigner have privileges that are not readily granted even to locals???
Above all: you can ask AUTHORITIES - the CHinese consulates throughout the world, the Chinese Government Office Hong Kong Branch (the most likely source for comprehensive answers for cases like you that want to know "the law").
I repeat: this is a developing country that is slowly discorvering the capitalist way of empowering individuals to pursue their own happiness after decades of socialist nanny state-ism! It goes without saying that they do not think of such particular dreams that foreigners like you may harbour.
You asked questions in a well-defined frame - legal or not legal, and my answers stand as they were given. It is you that is causing the problems - you want to read answers that satisfy your own individual needs. But your needs may not be legit from a national CHinese point of view.
Of course, you have to take the visa question into consideration; here again you are not free to decide what visa you want - unless you come as a bona fide tourist who will spend money here rather than make it. It is YOUR SPONSOR, i.e. EMPLOYER, WHO DECIDES WHETHER YOU SHOULD GET A WORK VISA of the 'Z' type or a 'F' visa that is both a businessman's visa or a visa for teachers for no more than 6 months. All those 'RF' visas that people buy in HK are illegit!
OK, I have been condemned by the pseudo-moral minority for having "freelanced" myself. Iwill say only this: if I have then it stands you to good stead to accept my insights gained through my experiences! I wasn't seeking this situation - UNLIKE SOME OF YOU!
And in this vein: I get at least one PM a week from someone asking me where to buy an 'F' visa and how to get it at what cost; I alsways answer those questions; I am not an informer in the pay of the PSB. Still when I find people bragging about their exploits as unscrupulous lawbreakers - that is knowingly and intently breaking laws - then I desolidarise myself from said folks! These guys not only break laws for their own gain and to the disadvantage of their host society, they will ruthlessly cheat on every colleague as well. i despise them! |
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Freestyle T
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Posts: 494
Location: Charming Chengdu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, quit squawking, Roger. Your arguments were well and truly defeated on the other forum, so again you resort to irrelevancies, misleading examples, and opinions. You're such a wannabe "know-it-all" and yet you know nothing. Stick to the anti-Americanism, at least you're good at it. |
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californian
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 129
Location: 31.07'24.07"Nx121.26'22.52"E
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: |
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wow. Everybody here sure has lots of opinions. And me, too!
My experience with freelancing is this: It is illegal, but usually not enforced. Just make sure that you and the employer you are working for have the same excuse if something ever comes up.
It happened to me once where the cops were waiting outside my apartment one day after a class. They took me in the police car down to the station to answer some questions...my (illegal) employer was there, too. Luckily we had the same excuse. (My wife was working there and I was just visiting her.) Anyway, they eventually did get a fine out of me,(not for illegal teaching, but for not registering with the police--300RMB) so do be careful and discreat. The police usually only look into things like illegal laowai teaching for one two reasons.
A) There was a report made by somebody.
B) They see that a school's business is good and want to get a share.
Anyway, for all you moonlighters out there, be sure to have fun. And always remember to smile if you get caught! |
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bigroh73
Joined: 10 Sep 2005
Posts: 16
Location: Shanghai, CHINA
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OH MY GOD !!!
SOme people really take this issue far too seriously.
I've spent the past 4 years teaching in China on a F-visa, which i would think at least 50% of teachers in China still do. (it means you goto HKG for 1 or 2 days every 12mths - you can now get 12mth F-visas)...
I work part time, for 3 or 4 different language schools here in Shanghai, along with some private tutoring, normally earning at least 10,000rmb/mth.
None of them have ever asked to see my passport/visa, or about my other teaching jobs - which is really only an issue if they were going to employ me full time and provide me with a proper Zvisa and work permit, etc.
They just want to know if i can teach their students at a specific time each week for the next 8-12 weeks. Agree on the price. ITs simple.
If thats a definition of FREELANCING - then YES.. YOU CAN DO IT.....
Some of the people in this thread need to get back into reality. |
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