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dmb
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| Get the Karides Guvec at Pano, its yummy. Also the foreign cheese board is good for picking, but I'm sure you know that. |
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justme
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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The karides guve� rocks, and the tereyağlı karides is pretty good too.
I always found the foreign cheese plate a bit disappointing. The Turkish one, however, is surprisingly good. There are all kinds of really nice cheeses on there I've never found anywhere else.
In fact, pretty much all their mezes make me happy....  |
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dmb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Ok Hands up who orders too many mezeler and then struggles to eat the main course. you'd think I would have learned my lesson and not order too many of them. |
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justme
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Why bother with the main course?
On the other hand, I have a phenomenally huge apetite. It's scary. I take many things very seriously, and eating is definitely one thing I don't approach half-as*ed. Even if it means undoing the top button of my jeans for the rest of the evening... |
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yaramaz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| I can't leave a country that has Cappadocia or Bozca Ada or other mind blowing escapes full of food and wine and heaps of sunlight. Money is not that important to me that I would give up huzur. And really, after 3 years, going on 4, the money's actually pretty good. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| and heaps of sunlight. |
I'll remind you of this in January when you complain about the weather  |
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ghost
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: money is not everything but ..... |
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| And really, after 3 years, going on 4, the money's actually pretty good. |
One would be interested to know how much teachers save (on average) per month in Turkey - and one suspects somewhere in the $250-$500 range (maximum).
In Taiwan, where ghost teaches at present - teachers make a bunch of money, and most of the teachers ghost encounters save between $1000-$1500 per month, and still 'live' a good life -eating out, going out, buying stuff etc....compensation somewhat, because Taiwan is essentially a pretty boring place to live for most foreigners.
Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan |
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molly farquharson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Save? I have never in my life saved. Stashed a bit here and there, but not for long. But I had two kids and a student loan to support. |
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ghost
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: money is not everything |
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| Save? I have never in my life saved. Stashed a bit here and there, but not for long. But I had two kids and a student loan to support |
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Which proves the point that if the Academic Coordinator of a major chain in the 'Big Bul' is not saving, then one can hardly imagine that the ordinary teachers are saving much coin, either, in Turkey.
In Taiwan - almost everyone saves a bunch of money, because the base salaries of around 60.000 Taiwan Dollars a month (around $2000 U.S.) enable teachers to save around half their salaries. Also in Taiwan - almost everyone teaches 'Privates' for around $30 (U.S.) or more per hour - the demand is so great that teachers could work all day and night if they so desired - and some teachers do this - because in all honesty, Taiwan is a pretty boring place with little to do, in spare time, beyond going to the foreigner pubs and internet cafes.
Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan |
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yaramaz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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quoth dmb
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and heaps of sunlight.
I'll remind you of this in January when you complain about the weather |
Actually, today will do. Its hideous out there...  |
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dmb
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Tell me about it. I locked myself out of the flat, and had to turn up at an accountacy firm this morning in jeans, smelly trainers and rugby shirt. No umbrella, no books, no jacket, no wallet, no phone and very wet  |
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Tiger Beer
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Intersting thread.
Also interesting comparing Taiwan to Turkey.
I'm living in Korea, and could more or less apply all the same things towards Korea.. and I once lived (and loved living) in Brazil.
Overall though, all things considered, kinda happy in Korea because of all those above things mentioned - but looking at them on the positive side. Things like excessive income, distance from the local culture - more personal freedom, etc., etc. Also once you've been in any place for awhile, you begin to develop a really elaborate group of friends.. and then you get do pretty much whatever you want to do without the local culture paying attention to your needs or whatever else (which generally I would prefer they didn't). |
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dmb
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| distance from the local culture - more personal freedom |
Interesting. Distance from local culture in the Gulf means spending all your time with expats.... or a very solitary life, locked in your room counting the riyals.
Sure we all want to make more money, but isn't living abroad about interacting with the local culture. Turkey has a nice balance between salary and lifestyle. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| distance from the local culture - more personal freedom |
Interesting. Distance from local culture in the Gulf means spending all your time with expats.... or a very solitary life, locked in your room counting the riyals.
Sure we all want to make more money, but isn't living abroad about interacting with the local culture. Turkey has a nice balance between salary and lifestyle. |
Well, actually you CAN spend all the time in the world with the Koreans (or Taiwanese) if you want.. its easy to do. But after you've spent a lot of time here, and done just about everything you can imagine with Koreans for way too long.. you begin to appreciate just doing whatever in the hell you want to do - and not with the people of the culture would like to see you do.
But yeah, your first year or two in Korea, you can spend all the time in the world singing in karaoke and getting drunk and eating and whatever else with Koreans - if thats your thing - they'd love it!
For me, I like hanging out with girlfriend, expat buddies, getting new books to read, downloading movies, doing salsa lessons, going out drinking and socializing, and all the rest. But the idea of having a bunch of locals knocking on my door and bothering me with their friendliness and looking around at all my stuff as I'm a foreigner (as what Turkey sounds like the way its being described) doesn't sound like much fun. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| For me, I like hanging out with girlfriend, expat buddies, getting new books to read, downloading movies, doing salsa lessons, going out drinking and socializing, and all the rest. But the idea of having a bunch of locals knocking on my door and bothering me with their friendliness and looking around at all my stuff as I'm a foreigner (as what Turkey sounds like the way its being described) doesn't sound like much fun. |
Nice mix. I am not too much different(apart from the Salsa). But the second half of what I quoted is only relevant to small towns really. Living in Istanbul nobody really bothers you.... unless you go to the tourist traps like Sultanahmet. It's very easy to blend in in the big smoke. And this coming from someone with red hair. |
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