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2 over lee



Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the OP wants to be taken seriously, he needs to be more specific as to what post he is attacking, and what exactly the post(s) said. I see no reference to High-School cert in the original post.

When I worked for the company, or more precisely their Chinese partner,
that Bendan has given the link for I earned very close to 20 thou with free accom. Before that in Shanghai I hit that figure a few months free-lancing. Yes language mills and local unis do not pay that much, jobs for 20 thou do not fall in your lap.
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Malsol



Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Now the truth comes out Reply with quote

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Super Mario



Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Australia, previously China

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made around that [ 20,000],for a few months when a company paid me obscene amounts for their Saturday class, on top of my normal classes that is.
A good friend was making up to 30k, but going insane.
So yes, it can be done: but why do it?
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bendan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link I posted offers salaries of around 20,000 for EAP teachers (teaching English for Academic Purposes.) I don't know how you got that 4,800 figure.

I often, but not always, make around 20,000 a month from EFL. I never work evenings, and I always have at least 10 days off a month.
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Itsme



Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

International schools may pay inernational salaries but I have not seen any school that offers more than 4000-6000 RMB a month. That's what I see advertised...

Now, someone with some experience in China and more than one gig is able to pull in as much as he/she wants.

Some have already stated that there are different salaries for teaching different things. Some people do voice recording. Some tutor privately, some give business seminars.

What's so hard about making 20k if you are patient enough to fill your schedule up with quality jobs and not the 100 RMB per hour (after you have traveled 2 hours to get there?)

The reason why salaries are so low? Because people take them!
Anyone showing up fresh off the plane with no experience may takethe first thing that they can get.

Recruiters only care about the RMB. They could not care less about the difference between an excellent teacher and a good one. As long as the parents are happy then the school is happy and so you keep your job.

Find a good job with little hours and then go from there. This allows for more patience in waiting for the good stuff.
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gengrant



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question for the OP is this:

if you're making the amount of money you want to make, or at least have the opportunity to make more if you wanted to, who cares about these 20k jobs?

if they are out there, obviously people will find them...and what it sounds like is that they do exist, but maybe those people who get them are working so hard they don't have time to come to Dave's and post...

or maybe they don't want to give out the name/location of their school and give up their sweet gigs! Wink
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Henry_Cowell



Joined: 27 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:

Everyone who claims to make anything approaching 20,000 is teaching Business, not EFL. There is a difference both in subject and pay scale.


Please stop telling me what I teach. This is the second time you've done that.

I've never taught "Business" in my life. Wouldn't know how to. I teach English pronunciation, intonation, grammar, writing, and presentation skills, among many other aspects of EFL. I teach what the students want and need to learn.

If I get paid more for my services than you think I should, maybe you need to get out more and see what English teaching is all about.
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mlomker



Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry_Cowell wrote:
Please stop telling me what I teach. This is the second time you've done that.


Perhaps it has something to do with Malsol living in 'the Hinterland'. I suspect that the highest paying jobs are in Shanghai...and that the pay doesn't go that far.

I'm in the States right now and gross the equivalent of 50k RMB/month. So what? If you have to pay for $800 car repairs (this week) then what does your high cost of living leave you with at the end of the month? DVDs are $20 each here, you know.

It's about quality of life and not money. I'd actually be rather worried if the currency valuations and copyright laws and everything else get straightened out in China...it could really skew the quality of living question and not make it worthwhile to be there.
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2 over lee



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my humble opinion, In China, there is very little difference between teaching Business (English) and EFL.

Malsol said:

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After reading all of the posts in this thread, I am still waiting for that link to a 20,000 rmb EFL teaching job.


And here is your problem in a nutshell, you've got another thing coming if you think you are going to get a link to a clearly stated 20 thou job.

I repeat the link posted by Bendan pays around 19000.

http://www.ncuk.ac.uk/index.php?p=291


Quote:
Contracts: one year renewable

Remuneration packages (per year): We offer an attractive package which includes salary ranging from US$24,000/yr to US$32,000/yr for teachers and US$34,000/yr to US$40,000/yr for Principals plus free accommodation, flights, baggage allowance, insurance, settling-in allowance and paid leave.


What am I saying you have been given a link to a 20000 a month job, but your too stupid to see it. Stick to you 4000 a month Uni job.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 over lee wrote:
In my humble opinion, In China, there is very little difference between teaching Business (English) and EFL.

Note that "malsol" has not mentioned "Business English", only "Business". The subject matter for the latter is management, marketing, accounting, finance and so on. Nobody here is talking about teaching such "Business" topics.

And I'm not teaching "Business English" either. Most of my students would be insulted if I limited the content of my materials to only the English that they need for business.
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woza17



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol, why do you find it so hard to believe that FTs are making 20,000. Is it just because these jobs aren't advertised on the internet?
As Gengrant said, if you are willing too work long hours, you can make that and more.
I do
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Brian Caulfield



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yah I have met people even in Shanxi making that (30,000)
but teaching over 35 hours a week . You got to hustle though . There are so many schools out there who want a foreign teacher but can't get licensed to do so . They pay everywhere in China . China might even be a little easier than most countries to pad your income with under the table work .
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woza17



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All above board and blessed by the government. No hustle have to knock work back.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: What do I care? Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes

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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What do I care? Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:
My original post was simply a plea for truth and honesty here.

And yet you didn't want to accept any of the responses you got. Rolling Eyes
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