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Super Mario
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C'mon Marty. You know what people are saying.
That's some record, by the way. |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005
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| Where does Malsol teach? |
Anywhere that will have him.
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| Was he disbarred from a Law career for forcing his housekeepers to run naked through the neighborhood? |
Some wags say so. Its even on the www!
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| How long has he been teaching in China? |
Since he stopped practising law in California; December 1999, though he was rendered inactive before that.
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| Where did he learn to spell? |
He's learned to spell??
And does he like to show movies doubling as English classes?
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Plume D'ella Plumeria
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Posts: 28
Location: The Lost Horizon
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Jesus tap-dancing Christ Malsol,
You do sound like a rather rabid military type. You even admit that your classroom operation might sound like a "boot camp." It sure does to me.
I don't think I would enjoy being one of your students. Your methods seem rather harsh and draconian to me.
I teach college students too and granted, they can be rude during class time. A few particular students come to mind here. But I find ways to lower their grades in that case and I do give them a piece of my mind when they are out of line. In the main, they DO fall into line, eventually.
In any event, they are mostly twenty-ish kids from the provinces, (in my case, anyway) away from home for the first time ever and certainly, but not in all instances, slightly in awe of the FT. For more than a few of them, it is their first real encounter with a foreigner. I tend to cut them some slack for these reasons. It might be a good idea for you to do likewise... |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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What works for me and mine is not necessarily something that works for you and yours. I think I said something like that in the beginning, I think.
It is always possible to interpret rules with leniency but after the standard has been set, it is nigh impossible to raise the standard later.
I never have the types of disciplinary problems routinely cried about on forums like this.
Do it which ever way works for you but spare me the stories of disciplinary problems. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
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Location: HOLE
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: * |
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| Chinese students lack discipline. Once you have their attention and attendence there is a chance to motivate them. |
Yes it does help if they actually attend the class. It also helps if you have their attention. It also helps if you can work miracles like our dear lord and saviour Jesus Christ:
Praise the Lord - give these students an imagination!
Praise be to Jesus - give these students a sense of homour!
God help us all - activate their brains!
JESUS ROCKS! |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: EFL Declaration of Independence |
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Jesus  
What's this thread about 
Sorry, my Internet connection is on "strike" or something...well kinda slow to flick from page to page...i've only read this last third page and have little clue about the Declaration of Independance....as an ESL teacher
Cheers and beers  |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Australia, previously China
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Better ask its instigator, Malsol, who's gone from about 25 a day to zero.
Something about his "professional" past being pointed out, maybe. |
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Teababy
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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Location: Wuhan
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So, imagine you're studying Mandarin. Would you agree to be barred from ever speaking English in the class?
Too many teachers, sorry Professors, don't understand the concept of student-centered learning. Students benefit from being responsible for their education, not from bowing down to some cranky old guy who wants to be the center of attention. |
I have joined a Mandarin school and yes, I have voluntarily given up the right to speak English in the class. I feel that it is a cop-out to use English instead of challenging myself, that it hinders my progress, and that it would leave me in the same position regarding my Mandarin level as most of our students have with their English.
Malsol is not being a cranky old guy. Who said he wants to be the centre of attention? He is expecting students engaging in discussions with each other to use the classroom language. I fail to see what's wrong with that. You obviously are trolling. |
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Teababy
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| Any mobile phone that rings during class will be confiscated and not returned until the end of the school year. |
Why? What harms does a ringing phone do? It's no wonder students don't show up for 'your' class. |
Idiot. I cannot believe you are so stupid.
a) It's disruptive.
b) To tolerate it is to show weakness. Students will pounce upon any perceived slackening of the rules. Next they will be talking on the phone in class.
c) Again, you're an idiot.
d) Ditto |
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Teababy
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| It seems to me that the OP felt exasperated by the particular student's behaviour, so the teacher felt justified to "go to war" against that student. The student got the upper hand in that situation because the student was able to provoke the teacher to lose control. The teacher believes that he/she dealt with the situation appropriately and professionally but I think that the teacher should have used a video to film the student's behaviour and then after the lesson have a meeting with the student, show him/her the video and ask him/her how he/she could help him/herself to improve his learning skills. The disturbance was created by both parties. |
You mean he should have had a video camera handy? Are you for real? Even if he had one - not exactly a common item - why would he have brought it to class on this particular day? Should he have had ESP that the incident was going to happen?
Even if he had a camera phone, he would be breaking his own rules.
"War"? The teacher merely enforced his rules and the student chose to get confrontational. You need to review your choice of words, and lessen the hyperbole.
A meeting? In the OP, Malsol mentioned that the student showed up to just 2 classes. What's a meeting going to do? The student obviously cares nothing for his own education. You think he's going to give a damn about mending his ways after a meeting with a teacher he doesn't know in a language he doesn't understand? |
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nanchang
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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Location: Happily not there anymore!
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| The rules also state that if a student uses their mobile phone during class, I have the right to confiscate it and return it, if and when I decide. |
I kind of think that's called STEALING!!!!!!!!!!
As a teacher, you can ask a student to leave, but you may not take their personal property. |
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Super Mario
Joined: 27 May 2005
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You tell them to turn off their phones as they come in, and to put them away.
Then, if you see or hear one, you take it until the end of the lesson. The student hands it over voluntarily - I didn't have any problems with this in China, I don't in Australia, where students are much more assertive regarding their "rights". |
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Teababy
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They don't turn them off. Most of them don't even understand "Turn off your phone / turn your phone off". They don't understand the Chinglish "Power off" either. You demonstrate the physical action and they still don't get it. And if they do, they still don't turn their phones off. They just nod and smile and then use their phones in class anyway.
They have voluntarily submitted to the rules by being there. They can face the consequences of breaking them.
You posters who advocate going soft on them aren't doing them any favours. |
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Super Mario
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| They don't turn them off. Most of them don't even understand "Turn off your phone / turn your phone off". They don't understand the Chinglish "Power off" either. You demonstrate the physical action and they still don't get it. And if they do, they still don't turn their phones off. They just nod and smile and then use their phones in class anyway. |
wrote Teababy.
You have one amazing communication breakdown in your classroom.
Are you really a teacher? Can you say "guan shou ji"? It means, literally, "turn off hand machine". I never came across a student who didn't understand. Can you mime or demonstrate? How do you teach them English? Do you teach them English? I would seriously advise you against getting into real, as opposed to recreational, teaching.
People who can't run basic classroom procedures, yet claim to be teachers, are an interesting anomaly. |
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Teababy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| They don't turn them off. Most of them don't even understand "Turn off your phone / turn your phone off". They don't understand the Chinglish "Power off" either. You demonstrate the physical action and they still don't get it. And if they do, they still don't turn their phones off. They just nod and smile and then use their phones in class anyway. |
wrote Teababy.
You have one amazing communication breakdown in your classroom.
Are you really a teacher? Can you say "guan shou ji"? It means, literally, "turn off hand machine". I never came across a student who didn't understand. Can you mime or demonstrate? How do you teach them English? Do you teach them English? I would seriously advise you against getting into real, as opposed to recreational, teaching.
People who can't run basic classroom procedures, yet claim to be teachers, are an interesting anomaly. |
I can say it. Doesn't mean they do it.
How are you a good teacher? We only have your implied word for it. In fact, those who criticise are often the worst teachers. So I guess we know where you stand on the spectrum. Obviously you're back in Australia because you couldn't handle China and still, even with no language barrier, can't teach. Poor you. Poor students!
Do us a favour and spare us your self-righteous bullcr*p. |
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