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voodikon
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| tw wrote: |
I don't think they are any worse than those who were born in China, spent a few years studying in the West, then come back to China and think they are much better than their fellow countrymen. They speak English to their friends and to other Chinese (even if the others don't understand them), and look down on the rest of the other Chinese. I can only speculate those Chinese Americans behave the way they do because they feel the need to stand out to be recognized that they are different and perhaps more superior.  |
agreed--unfortunately, i was dating a guy like this (went off to nz and then canada for five years at the age of 16, had returned a year or two prior to my meeting him). blood-wise (?), he was half-japanese, which was interesting in and of itself, but also the way he dressed (rich kid, expensive clothes) and the fact that he hung out exclusively with foreigners led the locals here to frequently assume that he, too, was an overseas chinese, and they'd say stuff like, wow, your chinese is good.
there was another girl i met briefly, in an elevator, who was korean american. the elevator was extremely crowded, and she kept saying, "sorry. sorry" and looking over at me and the (foreign) guy i was with. as bumping into others is pretty commonplace here, and nobody seems to expect an apology, it seemed like she was trying to make sure we knew, or everybody in the elevator knew, that she wasn't chinese! when we didn't take the bait, she finally just struck up a conversation with us.
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| The one big difference between us is that you were born in Hong Kong, which Mainland Chinese consider a part of China. I was born in Brunei, so definitely not a part of China. So in my own opinion, it's not just because they think HK is cool, it's because to them you are more Chinese than foreigner since technically speaking you were born in China. Having said that, my wife tells me that many Chinese are actually envious of people who can speak Cantonese, or who sounds Cantonese when they speak putonghua because they like the Cantonese accent. |
what about that 不怕地，不怕天，只有怕广东人说普通话 or whatever it is bit? |
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lf_aristotle69
Joined: 06 May 2006
Posts: 546
Location: HangZhou, China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: Re: ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA? |
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| kean wrote: |
Any asian teaching english in china?
I have heard alot about employers who prefer to employ the caucasian than a asian.
There is also news about asian who manage to secure a teaching job in china.
Please share about your gateway to teaching english in china for an asian.
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Kean, you are so not going to get a job at my school!
Besides, I agree with BearCanada that you are a Chinese employer/agency just fishing for info.
It seems other posters here are counting the local Chinese teachers of English... I'm pretty sure that's not the intention. Either, as Bear Canada said, Kean wants to know about Filippinos, or I think he/she could be getting impressions about overseas born/raised Chinese.
But, give the Chinese teachers of English some slack. The whole English education system in China is still building up inertia. In 8-10 years there'lll have been an order of magnitude improvement in English teaching, and then again 8-10 years later. It's incremental change as better skilled graduates enter the English teaching profession in increasing numbers, eventually doing many of us (i.e. FT's) out of a job.
Personally, as someone currently assisting my school recruiting officer with recruiting of new foreign teachers for next semester, I am quite open to non-white teachers, as long as they are native speakers. But, if there are not enough native speaking applicants, then someone who can speak at, or at least very close to, that level.
First choice, on a par with other native speakers, are any people (of mixed descent) born and raised in a native speaking country. I.e. they are native speakers.
No, doing your last year of high school in a native speaking country is probably not good enough... but, each case on it's merits.
In fact I have found that many Chinese who go to study at school or even tertiary level in an English speaking country actually come back to China at the same or even a lower level than they left. Partly because they went overseas as quickly as possible with the lowest possible level of English (i.e. IELTS 5, 5.5 or 6) and so could still not communicate at the required level. Secondly, because when they go overseas they congregate only in groups with their Chinese speaking countrypersons, so the only language they really use is Chinese... lazy is as lazy does...
Of course this is true for the lazy, cut corners types, naturally there are many hard-working students. They're the ones that I used to see (a few years back when I was at Uni) go into the library at 7am, and come out at 10pm. They gave the Chinese a good academic reputation, but it seems in recent years that the tertiary education business started accepting anyone with money, and the cut-corners types rushed forward. Sigh... they now far outnumber the hard-working students. Are universities dropping their standards in order to pass them...? It seemed so for a while, I hope it's been stamped out now.
Chinese people, please get your English up to at least an IELTS 6.5 before rushing overseas and probably wasting your time. Don't try to learn tricks to get a higher score on the IELTS test, learn and practice more English! Read English everyday! And, when you get overseas form study and social groups with non-Chinese speakers!
Next, well qualified and experienced Asians (generally the best are Filippino or Indian) or Africans. Many have years of teaching experience, have higher degrees, and possibly have even studied overseas.
I apologise if this is beginning to sound like a cattle market. It's not really like that.
One of the best teachers I have met in China was a mature Filipino lady. Except for a few inevitable culturally acquired points, she could run circles around me in an ESL classroom. When she left the place we worked at she went to ShangHai and got a much higher paying job than I had at the time.
Ciao!
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william wallace
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: Dear TW |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Gee Mr. Wallace, why just pick on the Chinese? Why not the Italians, the Portuguese, the East Indians, the Vietnamese, the Koreans, the Latinos, the Filipinos, and the Ukranians too? Tell me, do you worship the ground that Don Cherry walks on?
For your information, any and all immigrants in Canada, be they Chinese or Martian, must be able to speak and understand some English/French in order to pass the citizenship test to become Canadian citizens. So, don't expect to see too many Chinese Canadians who speak very little English/French. Of course, you are probably unaware of this since you had the luxury of being born and raised a Canadian.
My father is 84 years old this year. He speaks very poor English, likes reading Chinese newspapers, goes shopping at Chinatown with my mother often, watches mostly Chinese TV shows, goes to a Chinese insurance company to buy car and house insurances, and attends Chinese church services. Is my father a Canadian? You bloody well believe he is. If the government says he is a Canadian, then he IS a Canadian. So I think it's about time you move your thinking ahead fifty years into the 21st century. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if this is too much to ask of you. |
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william wallace
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: Dear TW... |
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Teababy
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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Location: Wuhan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: |
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My father is 84 years old this year. He speaks very poor English, likes reading Chinese newspapers, goes shopping at Chinatown with my mother often, watches mostly Chinese TV shows, goes to a Chinese insurance company to buy car and house insurances, and attends Chinese church services. Is my father a Canadian? You bloody well believe he is. If the government says he is a Canadian, then he IS a Canadian. |
There is a difference between word and deed. What does your father contribute to Canada and its culture? How does he play a part in the wider economy and not just the parallel local Chinese economy.
Citizenship tests are piss easy. Everyone criticises them. |
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