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Ben Round de Bloc
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| A short EFL course is just fine, but not necessary. Teaching is intuitive. It's an art. Any reasonably energetic and outgoing person can get the hang of it very quickly. |
It's kind of scary the number of people who actually believe this about themselves.  |
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PlayadelSoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Sgt KilljoyOne last thing, I suggested Rate This School for the poster because it is a way to give information without shaming a school. For example, Harmon Hall has two stars. While Inlingua Thailand has more than 3 stars and lots of good and bad comments.
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This paragraph shows just how ineffective and misleading your website can be. Harmon Hall has over 100 institutes in Mexico and 1 in Guatemala. If someone came on your website, they would see that it is assigned 2 stars. If they dig a little deeper, they will see that this rating is based on 3 comments. Let us say that the average HH has 12 teachers on staff, at any given time. That would be 1200 teachers. Over the years, add in the ones who have left and that number increases. So, conservatively, I will say 3000. 3 comments out of 3000 teachers. Not exactly enough evidence to be providing advice, is it  |
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Belmont
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Ben Round de Bloc wrote: |
| Belmont wrote: |
| A short EFL course is just fine, but not necessary. Teaching is intuitive. It's an art. Any reasonably energetic and outgoing person can get the hang of it very quickly. |
It's kind of scary the number of people who actually believe this about themselves. |
....why? Because it may be true in most cases?  |
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Sgt Killjoy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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This paragraph shows just how ineffective and misleading your website can be. Harmon Hall has over 100 institutes in Mexico and 1 in Guatemala. If someone came on your website, they would see that it is assigned 2 stars. If they dig a little deeper, they will see that this rating is based on 3 comments. Let us say that the average HH has 12 teachers on staff, at any given time. That would be 1200 teachers. Over the years, add in the ones who have left and that number increases. So, conservatively, I will say 3000. 3 comments out of 3000 teachers. Not exactly enough evidence to be providing advice, is it |
And the alternative is a teacher not having any information about a school. A rating by three teachers is better than nothing in my opinion. At least the information is transparent. I am telling a teacher exactly how many votes have been made and the average rating.
But maybe you know more, Playa, I am always open to advice and opinions, do you think it is better for a teacher to have information from three former teachers at a school or none? |
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Samantha
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Belmont, your profile shows you are a real teacher.....I am quite sure this is not what Tim was referring to. And I am sure you also must be referring to those who are real teachers. Unfortunately there are people who have never seen a classroom door since one hit them in the butt on the way out of high school! And they show up, "poof, I am a teacher" in Mexico. |
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PlayadelSoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| PlayadelSoul wrote: |
This paragraph shows just how ineffective and misleading your website can be. Harmon Hall has over 100 institutes in Mexico and 1 in Guatemala. If someone came on your website, they would see that it is assigned 2 stars. If they dig a little deeper, they will see that this rating is based on 3 comments. Let us say that the average HH has 12 teachers on staff, at any given time. That would be 1200 teachers. Over the years, add in the ones who have left and that number increases. So, conservatively, I will say 3000. 3 comments out of 3000 teachers. Not exactly enough evidence to be providing advice, is it |
And the alternative is a teacher not having any information about a school. A rating by three teachers is better than nothing in my opinion. At least the information is transparent. I am telling a teacher exactly how many votes have been made and the average rating.
But maybe you know more, Playa, I am always open to advice and opinions, do you think it is better for a teacher to have information from three former teachers at a school or none? |
If it were one school in one location, then 3 comments might be helpful. When it is one company with over 100 schools, it is misleading. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| PlayadelSoul wrote: |
| If it were one school in one location, then 3 comments might be helpful. When it is one company with over 100 schools, it is misleading. |
A suggestion: Get a big bunch of those 1200-3000 teachers to give Harmon Hall a 5-star rating and positive comments. It'll generate more business for Sgt Killroy's site and help promote Harmon Hall.  |
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Belmont
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Samantha wrote: |
| Belmont, your profile shows you are a real teacher.....I am quite sure this is not what Tim was referring to. And I am sure you also must be referring to those who are real teachers. Unfortunately there are people who have never seen a classroom door since one hit them in the butt on the way out of high school! And they show up, "poof, I am a teacher" in Mexico. |
Yes Samantha, I am a "real teacher"  What I originally meant was that I have seen people with little or no training who--after some trial and error and with a decent textbook--turn out to be great teachers. The interest has to be there. As for the ones just showing up and declaring themselves an EFL teacher, more power to them--especially considering the woefully low pay. I say give them a chance. And if they can't hack it--"next!" |
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Ben Round de Bloc
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Belmont wrote: |
| As for the ones just showing up and declaring themselves an EFL teacher, more power to them--especially considering the woefully low pay. I say give them a chance. And if they can't hack it--"next!" |
How about proposing the same for teaching in the USA? Let's let all those who want to declare themselves teachers show up at the elementary school in California where you teach, give them a chance (especially if they're willing to work for half the salary you receive) -- if they can't hack it -- "next!" |
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Guy Courchesne
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| No child left behind. |
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PlayadelSoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Give me a reasonably intelligent person with a good attitude and positive personality, and I can make them into a teacher. |
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Samantha
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Good one Tim!  |
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ls650
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ben Round de Bloc wrote: |
| How about proposing the same for teaching in the USA? if they can't hack it -- "next!" |
Actually, maybe that's not such a bad idea after all. Look at all the folks who have years of training in education in the USA and still can't teach worth a damn. |
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M@tt
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| that's because the schools of education in the US are a complete joke. |
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cwc
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| that's because the schools of education in the US are a complete joke. |
Nice way to make friends and impress people. If you said "some schools", I would agree. You may have over-generalized a little. Did you attend a school of education in the States? |
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