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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: 7969 |
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7969,
It behooves me to answer you. Is that clear?
1. The original poster posted, of his volition, a totally erroneous, intentionally duplicitous, and egregiously misleading post on this Board seeking information on how to skirt the medical requirements in China.
2. At that point, for your information, 7969, since you are the Supreme Master of this Board, I wrote the moderator, informing the moderator as to what was taking place, who the original poster was and suggested that this thread be clipped. The moderator demurred and has let the thread run its course.
3. I did not out the original poster, as you claim, he outed himself, and frankly, we are talking about criminal acts here. I hope that it is plain to you. A person entered China with a spurious medical report and a highly, highly contagious disease and then ran wild.
4. The person did not flunk the medical test as he wrote -- after the bloodwork was done -- but before the bloodwork was even performed the medical examiner had flunked him.
5. The person lied to the school and lied to the other teachers and students, exposing at least one or two to serious consequences. When he was told that he was being deported, he then lied more by saying that he had to return home to obtain his visa. He then pulled a midnight runner and was banned from China for life. All of this is public knowledge -- there are no secrets here because 7969, you delude yourself, this is NOT Canada and there are different rules at play here.
6. In my previous post, I attempted not to divulge the real identity of the original poster, so I changed his nationality and place of residence so as to shade his innocence. In all reality, there was never a Brit -- that was the cover for this American for whom I still at that point felt a little pity.
7. But when this American continued to seek instruction on how to commit more illegal acts in China (not good enough that he rips off poor Chinese students, not good enough that he has a highly infectious and incurable disease, not good enough that he pulls a midnight runner, not good enough that his apartment in GZ was disinfected by a special medical team), I felt it was time to not keep silent anymore.
8. I suppose that you and DanielB somehow feel that a walking timebomb with a highly infectious disease should be allowed to do all of these things at will. Well, 7969, DanielB, I don't. And frankly, it behooves me that you are attempting to hijack this thread.
And I am not the issue, 7969, anymore than you are the issue in terms of being a permanent malcontent or DanielB is the board's local chief of insults and I will not allow you to make me the issue in this case. Hijacking a thread is a good strategy for poor minds.
These are the facts in this case and they were posted here in response to a criminal posting. And that is what I told the moderator and owner of this Board. Or do you and DanielB suggest that someone should remain silent in the face of a criminal act?
Perhaps if you feel my position is so egregious, then I would recommend that you and DanielB drop your pants and spend the night with the original poster to comfort him, given your outrageous concern for perpetrator and total lack of concern for his Chinese victims. And when the two of you do drop your pants, make sure that you do not use condoms. That would show your supreme concern for the poor OP. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| I personally would like to applaud HFG for doing what he did. In fact, *I* was the one who told him to post what he knew. So if anyone wants to report anyone, then report ME. |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| I personally would like to applaud HFG for doing what he did. In fact, *I* was the one who told him to post what he knew. So if anyone wants to report anyone, then report ME. |
WOW taking the bullet I have one question HFG you keep saying highly infectious and incurable disease what disease would this be AIDS? Just wondering!
Edited: Reason for editing is if you are talking about the Brit "American" with HIV + to extreme please let us know how you found out the medical findings. Just trying to feed the troll in me No hard feelings just love the drama. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| No biggie. As the old saying goes, 十八年以后还是一条好汉. |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| tw wrote: |
| No biggie. As the old saying goes, 十八年以后还是一条好汉. |
十八年以后还是一条好汉 Don't have a clue what that means. Please translate. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Areut wrote: |
| tw wrote: |
| I personally would like to applaud HFG for doing what he did. In fact, *I* was the one who told him to post what he knew. So if anyone wants to report anyone, then report ME. |
WOW taking the bullet I have one question HFG you keep saying highly infectious and incurable disease what disease would this be AIDS? Just wondering!
Edited: Reason for editing is if you are talking about the Brit "American" with HIV + to extreme please let us know how you found out the medical findings. Just trying to feed the troll in me No hard feelings just love the drama. |
Areut,
You sure are a gossip grunge. Indeed.
How we found out...we only learned for a fact the day the Chinese Red Cross sent special workers from a special disinfection team to disinfect the apartment of the OP. They had masks, gloves, bonnets, shoe covers, surgical gowns, etc., etc. They were disinfecting the house with a special solution of bleach enhanced with sodium chloride (we asked why) and when that dried, they went over everything again with a special 60% isopropyl solution. We asked "why" and we were given very, very concrete answers. Is that good enough for you?
And TW, thank you for the courageous posting.
And a point that I forgot to make : in the People's Republic, criminal acts are NOT shielded by privacy laws.
In any case, the OP has been barred from China for life and should he sneak in through a back door, well, it won't be deportation, it will also be jail this time. |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| Areut wrote: |
| tw wrote: |
| I personally would like to applaud HFG for doing what he did. In fact, *I* was the one who told him to post what he knew. So if anyone wants to report anyone, then report ME. |
WOW taking the bullet I have one question HFG you keep saying highly infectious and incurable disease what disease would this be AIDS? Just wondering!
Edited: Reason for editing is if you are talking about the Brit "American" with HIV + to extreme please let us know how you found out the medical findings. Just trying to feed the troll in me No hard feelings just love the drama. |
Areut,
You sure are a gossip grunge. Indeed.
How we found out...we only learned for a fact the day the Chinese Red Cross sent special workers from a special disinfection team to disinfect the apartment of the OP. They had masks, gloves, bonnets, shoe covers, surgical gowns, etc., etc. They were disinfecting the house with a special solution of bleach enhanced with sodium chloride (we asked why) and when that dried, they went over everything again with a special 60% isopropyl solution. We asked "why" and we were given very, very concrete answers. Is that good enough for you?
And TW, thank you for the courageous posting.
And a point that I forgot to make : in the People's Republic, criminal acts are NOT shielded by privacy laws.
In any case, the OP has been barred from China for life and should he sneak in through a back door, well, it won't be deportation, it will also be jail this time. |
I don't know if it is good enough but I guess it will have to do! And if the OP was thinking about sneaking back in I wouldn't advise that in any country you could end up in jail in not so friendly areas. |
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tofuman
Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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HFG,
While I share your horror at the duplicity of the individual in question, I wonder why all the drama regarding his living quarters?
If AIDS is what we are discussing here, I can't believe that the
Chinese public health authorities are so fantastically ignorant. Are you sure he did not have Ebola? Perhaps that is the illness to which you are referring? HIV is quite unstable outside of the body, unlike Hepatitis B, for instance. Unless the guy had a massive blood spill in the room, or ejaculated multiple times all over the place, I see no reason for any of the measures that you described.
As for the unfortunate pauper who was scammed out of 1000 RMB, how did he happen to have such a large amount of money on his person? |
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danielb

Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 490
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| HFG, exactly how did I hijack the thread? I just wanted to know if it was two different people. |
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danielb

Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 490
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| And, because I asked a simple question (now answered, thanks) you tell me I should go and drop my pants and have homosexual sex with an AIDS carrier. Why? |
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Steppenwolf
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 1769
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Why does HFG have to stand so much suspicion, questioning and doubting? I think he has done a most decent job in sharing information without giving away vital details pertaining to the culprit.
Those questions should be directed at the FT who got screened out by the authorities - but he would not be willing to discuss them honestly.
TIme bombs like this aspiring FT cause us all to fall in the esteem of our employers; let's not protect black sheep among us! |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| tofuman wrote: |
HFG,
While I share your horror at the duplicity of the individual in question, I wonder why all the drama regarding his living quarters?
If AIDS is what we are discussing here, I can't believe that the
Chinese public health authorities are so fantastically ignorant. Are you sure he did not have Ebola? Perhaps that is the illness to which you are referring? HIV is quite unstable outside of the body, unlike Hepatitis B, for instance. Unless the guy had a massive blood spill in the room, or ejaculated multiple times all over the place, I see no reason for any of the measures that you described.
As for the unfortunate pauper who was scammed out of 1000 RMB, how did he happen to have such a large amount of money on his person? |
Good point Tofuman you don't all that for HIV/AIDS. I figured Hepatitis too, but figured maybe HFG knew that the guy had HIV/AIDS and was infected with hepatitis. Another thing why would the op post that it was cured if he/she had HIV/AIDS? Answer HFG we are waiting, or if the op decides to jump in this would be a good time. |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Steppenwolf wrote: |
Why does HFG have to stand so much suspicion, questioning and doubting? I think he has done a most decent job in sharing information without giving away vital details pertaining to the culprit.
Those questions should be directed at the FT who got screened out by the authorities - but he would not be willing to discuss them honestly.
TIme bombs like this aspiring FT cause us all to fall in the esteem of our employers; let's not protect black sheep among us! |
I have no suspicions and doubts of HFG just seeking information since he has so much. Plus have to stir the pot a little. I would still like to hear from the op at some point in time. And that makes two that stands up for you HFG
1. TW
2. Steppenwolf
HFG keep your friends close and your enemies closer. So maybe you should take danielb and 7969 out for drinks! |
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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HFG, on friday, 25 august 06, you posted this, perhaps from harbin:
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| In many provinces now it is impossible to convert a tourist visa into a Z visa in-country...... In Harbin and the area around Harbin these matters are taken care of without having to leave the country. |
on monday, 4 september 06 you posted this, from harbin:
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
No problems from Harbin for accessing, reading and posting to the thread-in-question.
It may be your individual university, middle school or language training center servers.
s |
on thursday, 5 October 06, this, again, apparently from harbin:
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| When I hit Harbin, I went crazy. The Harbin Metro and Carrefours are well-stocked and I think that I probably blew RMB 8,000 in two months on cheeses, all kinds of Western bread, spaghetti sauces, olive oil, Italian sausage, you name it. |
on thursday 12 october 06 you posted this, i presume from harbin as well:
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
EnglishGibson and Calories have taken a singularly cavalier approach to what is an extremely serious problem. Please read below.
First, the OP has claimed that his bloods tests in China were irregular and that he suffered from some kind of a "nasty bug" and that he has been "cured" in the United States. What follows will surely cause serious concerns.
Today, Thursday, October 12, 2006, workers acting under instructions from the Chinese Red Cross and the Center for Disease Control came to the apartment in Southern China where the Original Poster lived for one month.
These workers were issued surgical masks, surgical bonnets, surgical gowns, surgical gloves and surgical shoe cover before they entered his residence. They were scrubbed with 60% isopropyl alcohol when they left his residence.
First, they took out and burned every piece of cloth in the Original Poster's apartment -- his sheets, his mattress, all of the furniture coverings, towels, drapes, etc., etc. The entirety of the household linens so to speak were removed --- not by hand -- but by using special metallic poles -- and then they were placed in special bags and taken away to a special incinerator for infectious diseases.
The toilet itself was totally saturated with an 85% bleach and sodium chloride mixture. The entire apartment was then sprayed using a special disinfectant spray machine with a special solution that is used when disinfecting rooms where people with hypercontagious diseases such as AIDS and syphilis B have been present.
Any and all items in the apartments that might have been handled by the OP, such as all of the kitchen utensils, were also taken out and destroyed.
Thus, I cannot comment as to why the OP failed his medical examination in China. I can only comment on what has been observed today in the residence of the original poster in the city in Southern China where he lived for one month. |
saturday 21 October 06, you posted this, also (unless you've moved again) while living and teaching in harbin:
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
It is about deceit, about duplicity, about lack of respect for the host country.....
The OP's conduct was less-than-stellar, and by pulling a midnight runner, and then forcing.....
As I wrote, his apartment in GuangZhou had to be completely disinfected by a special team from the Chinese Red Cross and it was frightening to watch the trepidation of the workers as they did their job.
And at the end of the day, it just makes the Chinese think badly of America. |
and then just today, sunday 22 october 06, this gem, in response to areut:
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| Areut wrote: |
| tw wrote: |
| I personally would like to applaud HFG for doing what he did. In fact, *I* was the one who told him to post what he knew. So if anyone wants to report anyone, then report ME. |
Edited: Reason for editing is if you are talking about the Brit "American" with HIV + to extreme please let us know how you found out the medical findings. Just trying to feed the troll in me No hard feelings just love the drama. |
How we found out...we only learned for a fact the day the Chinese Red Cross sent special workers from a special disinfection team to disinfect the apartment of the OP. They had masks, gloves, bonnets, shoe covers, surgical gowns, etc., etc. They were disinfecting the house with a special solution of bleach enhanced with sodium chloride (we asked why) and when that dried, they went over everything again with a special 60% isopropyl solution. We asked "why" and we were given very, very concrete answers. Is that good enough for you? |
unlike a few of you, i have some suspicions and doubts about what HFG has to say here, as he's been known to tell a pork pie or 20 on this discussion board in the past. i know that first hand.
1. was it really that frightening to watch the trepidation of the workers as they did their job in GZ? (21 october 06 post)
2. on the day that apartment in GZ was disinfected, 12 october 06, did you really ask the red cross workers why they were disinfecting that flat with a special solution of bleach enhanced with sodium chloride? (22 october 06 post - relevant text put in bold and italics above by me for ease of viewing).
according to the other posts of yours i pasted above, all indications are that you've been up in harbin (working at a school i presume) for the past nearly two months and werent even in GZ when any of this stuff happened. how could you have witnessed all of this transpire in GZ? who really asked these red cross workers why they were disinfecting the place? you couldnt have done it. or maybe noone asked? perhaps you made a special trip from harbin to GZ just for this cleanup..... did you?
in fact, just going by the date time stamp on your posts from harbin that i pasted above, it would appear that you werent in GZ for any of the time the OP was in this country. how were you really apprised of all these (in some cases very precise and somewhat bizarre) details, i'm curious. or are you just makin it all up? at any rate, its a fantastic story particularly for someone who may not have even seen it unfold.
this is where i'd normally post a few questions for HFG, like,
1. when did you arrive in harbin? and
2. have you been in harbin continuously since that date? and
3. were you really in GZ on october 12th to see what you claim to have seen?
but i get the feeling he wasnt really in GZ, and that he doesnt really know what happened in GZ, and i also get the feeling there will be a lot of beating around the bush in any future posts, if indeed we ever hear from him on this thread again. because as some of us here know, once called out on something, he usually makes like houdini.
7969
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