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cj750

Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| If you fail in this regard, then your a failure |
a subject I am sure you know too well... |
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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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A, pithy comeback, but all to mediorce and lazy, what a shock my laid back surfer friend,  |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 428 Location: Xi'an , Shaanxi China
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| De plane, De plane, Why not get back to the original OP. You can have a pissing contest later. We are all here for different reasons and trying to do our best. Peace. To the OP, you will encounter some difficulties here, just like you would any where else in the world. |
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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I agree yanky, though my post was not an insult, however CJs response was. Some people just can not handle a regular discussion, and have to lower it to a pissing contest.
To the original OP, will you have problems here, that depends on where you are a great deal. If your in a large city, not likely too many. If your in a small po dunk town, very likely. I have been in some real small towns, with many people who had rarely if ever seen a foreigner, it is a big difference.
You'll be stared at, oggled, no matter where you go, it is just a matter of varying degrees, will happen some places more then other. You get used to it for the most part though.
Don't be surprised if some people call you a banana though, or similiar, just like I don't get surprised anymore by laowai. Take care. |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 428 Location: Xi'an , Shaanxi China
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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cj750

Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| and have to lower it to a pissing contest |
Don't measure up in that department either do you Nathan |
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voodikon

Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 1363 Location: chengdu
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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is the flaming over?
op, i'm also half-chinese, half-white and have been thinking--a lot--about how this has affected my experience here over the past 2.5 years.
if you have specific questions, i'd be more than happy to discuss them via e-mail or msn (usernames for both of which are listed under my profile).
to address some of your already-raised concerns:
-yes, you'll receive lots of attention from females here, as all foreign males seem to. it's up to you whether to accept or deflect that attention. (i'm female, so i have an entirely different perspective than you might on this topic.)
-once you can speak enough chinese to understand the question, you'll probably be asked whether you're foreign or chinese at least a handful of times, and more if you look more asian than white.
-you'll probably receive fewer of the hellos and "laowais" that most of the foreigners on these boards bemoan as (i assume) you lack the (coveted?) blond hair and blue eyes.
-i don't have the same experience since it's my mother rather than my father who is chinese; hence my last name is not at all chinese, but i doubt you'll face much (if any) racial discrimination. you'll no doubt be asked to send a photo before you're hired for any job, and i think that'll take precedence over your name.
-in general i find most people seem pleased to hear i'm a "hunxueer" (literally, "mixed blood") as there seems to be some fascination (btw, worldwide, NOT limited to china) with multiracial people.
-one thing is almost certain: living in china will probably get you thinking (more, if you do already) about issues of race, culture, cross-cultural relations, etc. at least that's been my experience.
-there are lots of mixed-race and "hapa" forums out there--you might want to also peruse some of them. i haven't met all that many other half-chinese folk here, so i'm always eager to discuss the "mixed" person's experience.
on a job note, i've worked both within the technology industry here and the tefl industry as well as (currently) in retail, and i'd be more than happy to discuss my experiences within these realms as well, if you're looking for input. |
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Bayden

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I tend to take things seriously that are deserving of seriousness, and those things that are not I don't. Taking something seriously is not a bad thing, and I do so tire of the seeming surfer mentality towards education that people like you have Bayden.
Like I said, if your in a job where there are no quality controls, you must be your own check against laziness and ineptitude. If you fail in this regard, then your a failure, and your efforts are for naught. Enjoying your work is fine, I love to teach, why serious and enjoyment are seen as being mutually exclusive I will never know. Usually only people of limited ability and intellect see it this way.
I try to find more of a balance betwen the extremes of too serious, and not serious enough, seems like your wallowing in the not serious enough, I try and float somewhere in the middle.
Don't sweat it Bayden, not all of us can take those things deserving of seriousness seriously, some people can't take anything seriously, I'm sure your still an ok guy If this is your claim to fame though, well, mediocrity and not exceling can always be fun to. Take care  |
Poor Nathan.
How he can take HIMSELF so seriously is beyond me, I can't take seriously any one who says things like this.
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| I tend to take things seriously that are deserving of seriousness, and those things that are not I don't. Taking something seriously is not a bad thing, and I do so tire of the seeming surfer mentality towards education that people like you have Bayden |
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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, but you forgot to mention "why" you should not take me seriously my boy. Just saying it doe's not make it so, and some people are able to write more then one line. of course if you can not explain the why, I suppose you can make any statement you want.
Serious, not seirous, who cares, you don't answer questions Bayden, which is answer in and of itself. Your not a real teacher, so why do you ever comment on anything I wonder. Your just a flamer and nothing more.  |
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Bayden

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, but you forgot to mention "why" you should not take me seriously my boy. Just saying it doe's not make it so, and some people are able to write more then one line. of course if you can not explain the why, I suppose you can make any statement you want.
Serious, not seirous, who cares, you don't answer questions Bayden, which is answer in and of itself. Your not a real teacher, so why do you ever comment on anything I wonder. Your just a flamer and nothing more.  |
Why?
'My boy' this quoted post explains the why, and if you can't work it out (which I'm pretty sure you won't be able to) go back and read Distant Relatives last two posts. He reflects my thoughts well.
Apparently 'my boy' I'm not the only one who sees it. Considering that, perhaps it's time for some self reflection on your part.
By the way, what's a 'real' teacher.
And why isn't I one? |
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NathanRahl
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 509
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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You saying something is self evident doesn't explain anything. In fact you seem to be the only one it is evident to. So when asked to enlighten us, and you go and say the same thing over again, well, I don't think anybody takes you and your one liners seriously anymore.
Bottom line, you can't explain anything. Your all about being vague, provocative, likely you think you sound mysterious. All you really do is make implications without the least bit of explanation. LOL, thats weak man. Those who you rag on, at least many of them, myself included, explain ourselves, you just make accusations without even offering an explanation.
"Oh well if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you" uh huh, when someone says that, means they don't know either, their just coverig their own ass.
Spare us Bayden, your only contribution is to attack the least popular person of the moment, and ride the band wagon when such a person presents itself. That makes you a loser.
Oh, and a real teacher Bayden is someone who has an education, and a talent for teaching. They take their job seriously, they don't smoke whatever you do, or sleep with thier students. That help, or do I need to "explain" myself more? Cause maybe you don't get it.
I think the best thing we al can do is ignore the one person on here is most consistantly a troll, and that is Bayden, good bye. |
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Bayden

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and a real teacher Bayden is someone who has an education, and a talent for teaching. They take their job seriously, they don't smoke whatever you do, or sleep with thier students. That help, or do I need to "explain" myself more? Cause maybe you don't get it. |
I don't know what the one has to do with the other.
What does having an education, a talent for teaching, an ability to impart knowledge, have to do with getting stoned and banging students?
Maybe you do need to explain a bit more.
And while you're at it, how about telling us your qualifications, and what and where you taught as a 'real' teacher for 13 years.
How was your Valentines? Another lonely night at home with yourself? |
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voodikon

Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 1363 Location: chengdu
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| could you boys take your intellectual debate to the sandbox please? thanks. |
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btkong
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 21
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I must say I'm quite surprised by that. I would have thought that it would be white women who would be drawn to the eurasian look. Chinese women tend to find the blonde hair/blue eyes thing more 'exotic'. |
Yes, there are some white women who exhibit those qualities. But usually, they at least restrain themselves somewhat. Non-westernized (at least in my experience) make it so obvious they are interested in your exoticism. I'm terribly sick of Asian girls coming up to me and asking if I'm part Chinese--and this is in Vancouver, Canada, one of the largest cultural melting pots of the world. If it's bad here, I shudder to think of what it's like in China...
Some people are claiming teaching English is effortless, and others claim otherwise. I suppose it depends on whether you actually want to educate your students or whether you want to just experience the culture. If I teach, I will take it seriously. BUT, I'm not going to devote my life to it.
voodikon, great post. Very useful. It's great to see there are other half-asians/hapas/eurasians--or whatever the hell we are called--in China.
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| yes, you'll receive lots of attention from females here, as all foreign males seem to. it's up to you whether to accept or deflect that attention. (i'm female, so i have an entirely different perspective than you might on this topic.) |
I like attention as much as the next guy, but not in the zoo animal kinda way.
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| you'll probably receive fewer of the hellos and "laowais" that most of the foreigners on these boards bemoan as (i assume) you lack the (coveted?) blond hair and blue eyes. |
Music to my ears. No blond hair, blue eyes. Dark, dirty brown hair and brown eyes. My mother's, being a blondy, is the only one that has those features. Though I do have a few mixed cousin with green eyes. However, they have a white father, not mother.
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| -i don't have the same experience since it's my mother rather than my father who is chinese; hence my last name is not at all chinese, but i doubt you'll face much (if any) racial discrimination. you'll no doubt be asked to send a photo before you're hired for any job, and i think that'll take precedence over your name. |
This is my main worry. My resume will show a Chinese last name. I do hope they at least look at my photo first before tossing my resume in the 'can.
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| in general i find most people seem pleased to hear i'm a "hunxueer" (literally, "mixed blood") as there seems to be some fascination (btw, worldwide, NOT limited to china) with multiracial people. |
Same experience. Though I must say that some of the extra attention gets really taxing.
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| i'd be more than happy to discuss my experiences within these realms as well, if you're looking for input. |
Oh yes, please do so. Based on some of the posts here, I may actually apply to some international high tech corporation instead of the English teaching thing. I'd like to see what other opportunities there are besides teaching.
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| if you have specific questions, i'd be more than happy to discuss them via e-mail or msn (usernames for both of which are listed under my profile). |
Sounds great. I'd be very interested in bouncing some questions about your China experience. I'll add your user name to my MSN list.
A bit off topic, but are there any MMA (mixed martial art)--also know as Cage Fighting--activities in China? I train MMA and compete in Cage Fights at an amateur level here in Canada, and I would be so stoked if I could fight while in China too.
Thanks a ton for all the information guys--and gals. Wontastically helpful. |
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voodikon

Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 1363 Location: chengdu
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| not sure where to start so will await your specific inquiries via pm, e-mail, or msn, how's that? |
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