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clark.w.griswald
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| First the Visa is a stamp allowing a holder entrance...into The country for work... |
Pretty much what I said above isn't it?  Not so much about the entrance into the country as you can get Z visa inside the country in many places in China, but certainly about visas being well just that - visas.
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| and a z or a RP can be revoked at any time for any reason..and that reason doesn't have to be revealed to the holder... |
I think that everyone is aware of this and again it is pretty much what I wrote above but thank you for reiterating the point.
Unlike yourself however I would not limit this point to certain visa types in an effort to make your point but instead I would, and will, point out that it applies to F, L, C and all other visa types.
The big difference, and the point that I am trying to make, is that quite clearly a legitimate visa for a legitimate purpose is less likely to cause complications. You seem to be arguing otherwise but I don't think you have clearly stated why?
You seem to be suggesting that a teacher who is legally employed on the correct visa and for the correct reasons is as vulnerable as someone who is here working illegally on an L visa. I disagree.
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| I am saying that there should be no expectation of safety when it comes to the PRC concerning visas or permits..that a z can be revoked at anytime.. |
There are no guarantees when it comes to visas anywhere in the world as they are nothing but official invitations for foreigners.
However....
If you come her on a tourist visa and are a tourist then of course there is no reason that your tourist visa will be revoked.
The same goes for business visas and doing business in China.
And the same goes for work visas and working in China.
Quite clearly if you are here on the correct visa for your purpose in being here and you abide by the laws of the country and the terms of your visa then what reason is there for the government to revoke your visa? Could it happen? Sure. Does it happen? I have never heard of someone here legitimately having had their Z visa/resident permit revoked for no reason but perhaps you can give us some examples CJ?
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| and to try and sell that there is a correct way to complete a process that will make you immune to any changes in the climate or consideration given a group working i a foreign country is ill responsible and can cause an applicant to be unprepared... |
I have not suggested that anyone is immune. My point is very clear. If you ensure that you are working legally then you are far less likely to have visa problems than if you work illegally. You on the other hand seem to be suggesting that all visas are the same so it doesn't matter which one you are on nor what you do on that visa. I disagree and what you are trying to suggest is pretty silly if you ask me.
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| is this an implication that I gave advice that led to someones ouster..I have never given advice as to everything will be ok..as a matter of fact I have only advised that legal or not..the chances are about the same... |
And in suggesting what I have highlighted in bold text above you are suggesting to newcomers that whether they are working legally or illegally they are in the same position. As long as teachers continue to work illegally or semi-legally they will remain vulnerable to misinterpretations by the authorities and unscrupulous employers. Quite clearly people who are employed legally are not immune to problems but are in a much better position to deal with problems when they arise.
Milo, perhaps inadvertently, was working illegally and found that he had no course of action. He is really the perfect example of why you are wrong on this issue!
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| ...I can no longer in clear consinous aid int he furthering of your agenda on this board... |
CJ I have no problem with this at all and in fact welcome it. But judging by the fact that it is largely you who injects yourself into discussions about what I write here I doubt that this will hold. But lets see. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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ill ignore the visa issue and leave that for the more experienced to post about...
Just wanted to add, to say my next door neighbour is here with his family from the states - oldest daughter is about 17 and they have a new born daughter who is know about 3 months old, she was born here a little before Xmas..they have 4 children here in all.
All are home schooled, and all seem happy, well adjusted children.
I know they often get toys etc posted over...but by the same token, not surrounding your children with powerrangers and the latest gimmick toy may not be such a bad idea anyway? less is more maybe...
Certainly where I work.....the timetable would allow you a lot of valuable time with your family....and i believe it is incredibly safe for children compared to my home in the UK.
Yes, the traffic here can be a little random, but at least it moves slowly...again this may be unique to where I am, and I havent travelled in china much...
Like yourself, I have always kept an eye on my son when he was growing up, but I do believe that had he grown up here, he could have enjoyed the type of life that i did.....that faraway memory of being able to wander around on my own and as long as I came back for dinner my parents where happy many moons ago....
Wenchang (my town) is the kinda place where you could give a child a little more freedom (within reason)
The cost of living is very low....and I think you could certainly live a simple life here..although a slush fund for emergencies, treats, and trips away would probably be required for peace of mind.
Very best wishes in your endeavours....I know one thing, is that the time you may have here to watch your family grow up is priceless IMO, I certainly wish I had been able to be here with my young family many moons ago |
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Margot73
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| Why do these foreigners homeschool their kids? It seems like sending them to a local school and immersing them in the language would be a great opportunity! I can't even IMAGINE homeschooling 4+ children. I would go crazy...Never a break. I am probably prejudiced against homeschooling, as around here it tends to be ultra-fundi Christians who do it. |
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Anda
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: Um |
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| I would have to agree with sending young kids to school here as from what I see they have lots of fun and are great little kids and their teachers are nice. Normal schooling with home help of an evening would seem a much better way to go. I wouldn't send kids if I had them to school in my home country however as many teachers have their own teaching agendas. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Id guess sending 4 children to a school might be expensive? If they are working to a budget it may not allow...
That is something to consider for the OP....
You also say your children are very sociable and like to be the centre of attention....they will certainly be that here...
And although she may not attend a school here, the 5 yr old girl next door always seems to be out playing with local children of a same age |
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Steppenwolf
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Margot73 wrote: |
| Why do these foreigners homeschool their kids? It seems like sending them to a local school and immersing them in the language would be a great opportunity! I can't even IMAGINE homeschooling 4+ children. I would go crazy...Never a break. I am probably prejudiced against homeschooling, as around here it tends to be ultra-fundi Christians who do it. |
Not a good idea at all, lady! Unless you want your own child to be an inhibited, socially inept, functionally robotic little clone. The schools we teach at give us sometimes the creeps, especially when we learn how the kids are treated - as though school was a bootcamp! Kids get emotionally starved, academically overfed, and their imagination gets killed off in the process! And what kind of education do the students get?
It's useless! |
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cj750
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| it is difficult for foreign children to attend local public schools....and if they do .. it is difficult for the parents to get the school to treat them in the same manor as the local children...and international schools are very expensive..not the tikt..for those on a FTs pay.... |
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Babala
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Putting your visa issue aside, I'd say one big problem you are going to have is housing. Most schools provide housing but certainly not big enough for a family of 6. You would have to get a housing allowance from your school and I doubt it will be enough to cover a flat for all of you. |
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