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[Glenski]

[cangringo]

Thank you Glenski and I see your point there. So really, the people who are lowering the bar are the ones who go to Mexico for sand and surf and use teaching as a way to make money while they are there etc.

Of course hubby and I do most of our teaching at our house anyway so it doesn't affect the schools.

[Sheikh Inal Ovar]

[FuzzX]

How did you go about getting into teaching?
What certification did you get?
Was it what you expected?
Did you find it hard to get jobs?

I've read in the forum that age, and appearance are a big factor of getting hired. Does that mean that it is difficult to do this for years to come, because we get old and people will quit hiring us?

No Degree?

Women, Money, Fame... all this can be yours for the price of your soul.

I�ve yet to meet a truly likeable teacher with a degree, most of them have their heads jammed up their asses..

Got out of the police and into that globaltesol school.
I have the TESOL
No, not at all.... Soooo much better.
Nope, never had a problem.

age and appearance????

HAHAHAHAHHAHA
I�ve met people that looked like they served with black beard earning more dough than kids with masters degrees..

I have an uncle in china that went a little nuts, ditched everything he had and went to china with absolutely nothing.... now he has a cushy job as a teacher. He�ll be hitting 55 I think this year.

But I wholeheartedly agree with all the teachers here.... You must have a degree so you don�t �LOWER THE BAR�. I know you can buy them on the street in whatever country you choose.

Cheers.

[Glenski]

[Sheikh Inal Ovar]

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[Gordon]

[Sheikh Inal Ovar]

Do you really want two identical threads ... thrash it out with this lot, who know what they're talking about ...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=48352

[cangringo]

How about I put it this way...having a degree does not mean you are a better teacher. I think we can all concur with this. However in most places, it seems (correct me if I'm wrong but I have that impression from posters here) you can get a job teaching with a degree but no TEFL cert or any teaching experience whatsover. Wow!! Having a degree in Canada pretty much guarantees you what?? Diddly squat. So people can take their useless bachelor's degree in basket weaving and go teach people in another country. Wow, that's really giving the students the best they can get isn't it??

Oddly enough, I'm not teaching to earn a ton of money. I wouldn't be here in Mexico if that were the case. I am here because I want to help people, I want to experience other cultures, I am a good teacher and doggone it, people like me. Oh and another thing, my students don't care if I have a degree or not - they care if I can teach them English. Of course I am mostly doing private classes anyway so I'm not lowering your precious bar.

Unfortunately I do meet more people with degrees and their heads up their a$%^# than the other way around. I know it doesn't apply to everyone but unfortunately it happens a lot.

[FuzzX]

I�m here for the money

[Glenski]

cangringo wrote:

[nickpellatt]

the thing is cangringo.....they do have to set a bar, and how else can one set it other than education?

I think there are other things that are highly desirable, but how do you measure simple things like patience, enthusiasm, commitment etc? Especially when you are applying for a job overseas, because maybe they cant interview you.

I think most would agree a University degree isnt a surefire way of knowing that one can teach, or teach well. But education is one of the only standards an employer can set, that in theory at least...will weed out some of the less desirables.

Im a non-degreed teacher by the way. But Im just looking at it objectively.

I wish all my future employers would have the chance to meet my students, attend my classes and actually get to know me first so they could understand something about me, cos I think they would know they could trust me and employ me, but thats unrealistic.

I equally feel it could be annoying to the local teachers, who always earn less than us....to know that Johnny Foreigner can swan into town with little education and earn three times their salary....belittles their education IMO.

Where I work, I am one of 6 Fts, with only one other not degree'd (but he was employed short term in an emergency)....the other teachers are degree'd, and 3 of them are qualified to teach in their respective countries.....We dont discuss my education openly here, simply out of respect to the other teachers and to the students...

I guess there are enough chancers out here in the FT field as it is, stripping away the education rule entirely would just be carnage really.

I think ultimately, there will always be places and countries where we can find work if we arent qualified, but anyone really looking long term in this field should really think about meeting the criteria most places sensibly request.

I think the students deserve that really. They deserve commitment, wether that is in the form of unqualified teachers undertaking study to stay teaching, or degree holders who are prepared to offer a bit more than a single years teaching to fund travelling, whilst they drink beer and sleep with local women.

[cangringo]

[Sheikh Inal Ovar]