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wildchild · Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010

spiral said

denise · Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish

MIIS (Monterey Institute of International Studies) doesn't mix grad and undergrad classes, as there isn't an undergrad program.

I think I would object to having such mixed classes. No, I know I would object.

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fat_chris · Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing

Ditto Teachers College at Columbia University. No undergrad program. Only grad programs in Applied Linguistics and TESOL.

Regards,
fat_c

wildchild · Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010

hmm...well then.

The tuition for a graduate student at the California state school where I did my BA is between $1,200 and $1,900 per semester. Non-residents and international students are required to pay an additional $339 per unit (classes are between 2 and 3 units).

Again, many of the class were mixed with grad and undergrad students.

How much for MIIS and Columbia?

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

In the United States, it is generally not the "program" that might mix undergraduate and graduate students. Rather, the background and qualifications of the individual students themselves are what determine whether students enroll in courses that mix undergrads and postgrads.

If a student enrolls in an MA program without the necessary background in (for example) linguistics, that student will be required to enroll in certain advanced undergrad linguistics courses. The latter courses are usually listed as open to undergrad and grad students.

A student enrolling in an MA program with the necessary background and preparation would take only graduate-level courses from the start. There are typically no undergrads in those courses.

fat_chris · Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing

livinginkorea · Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 22 Location: South Korea

I did a certificate and diploma in TEFL already so it was natural for me to eventually upgrade to do an M.A. I started last year and loving it so far. I found it by asking around on Dave's and a few people mentioned the University of Birmingham. I looked into it more and they have some centers around the world and even one in Korea, about 45 minutes from where I live so it was a blessing for me!

nomadder · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:

Scams. They should all be free or heavily subsidised. Don't feed the beast. And most people at that level need more practice than theory. End of story.

denise · Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish

Well, I fed the beast and I got what I paid for.

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fat_chris · Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing

Sherri · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:37 am Post subject:

nomadder · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:57 am Post subject:

Well eventually some make back that money, maybe-it just takes some people a long time. I know people who have debts 10 or 20 years later. Just don't get why societies never invest in their future. Why should people pay a fortune to work? Pay away if you like. I just find the cost/benefit analysis rarely works out.

PS-Sherri-a little more caffeine in that coffee?

denise · Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish

Actually, I consider going into debt in order to better myself to be an investment in my future. I could easily have kept teaching at the same level--the same types of schools, the same responsibilities--without an MA, and had I gone that route I wouldn't be in debt today. Instead, I am in debt but have gotten jobs and responsibilities that were off-limits to me in my pre-MA days.

People invest in all sorts of silly things--property, stocks, etc. Why not education?

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