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Maria Kirby
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| I'm back in Madrid on a student visa (not hard to get). I've got 20 hours academy work because I have a student visa. I also give private classes. I'm here legally and I can work too. I was told about the student visa by someone I know that has been living and working in Spain quite legally for the last 7 years just with a student visa that she keeps renewing. Another friend of mine has recently visited an immigration lawyer and was told the following. If you get empadronado (your landlord or someone else you know that lives in Spain vouches for you officially) and then live in Spain for 2 years (working legally or illegally) you can apply for residence. Don't worry I thought it was wierd too until he showed me the list of things he had to provide and do that he was given by his lawyer in order to complete the process. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Maria Kirby wrote: |
| I'm back in Madrid on a student visa (not hard to get). I've got 20 hours academy work because I have a student visa. I also give private classes. I'm here legally and I can work too. I was told about the student visa by someone I know that has been living and working in Spain quite legally for the last 7 years just with a student visa that she keeps renewing. Another friend of mine has recently visited an immigration lawyer and was told the following. If you get empadronado (your landlord or someone else you know that lives in Spain vouches for you officially) and then live in Spain for 2 years (working legally or illegally) you can apply for residence. Don't worry I thought it was wierd too until he showed me the list of things he had to provide and do that he was given by his lawyer in order to complete the process. |
Take this with a pinch of salt. Being ''empadronado'' simply means being registered as a resident in the town you live in. I've lived here on and off since 1981 and have never heard of landlords ''vouching'' for their tenants. Moreover, I'd bet that a ''student visa'' only gives you the right to study here and NOT to work. Face it, Maria. If you're American or Canadian, you will find it almost impossible to work here legally. |
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Maria Kirby
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I am working here on a student visa. I'm allowed to work as long as it does not interfere with my studies. The law says so, not me. There's another post on here somewhere that says the same thing. Pinch of salt indeed 
Getting empadronado seems to be one of the first steps to getting residence (unless you want to take the quick route and get married  ). One of the things you have to show is that you've been in Spain for at least 2 years. Apparently being empadronado is something that shows this. This isn't something that interests me too much as I don't want to make Spain my permanent home. Anyone that is interested - play it safe and go ask a lawyer. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Maria Kirby wrote: |
| Another friend of mine has recently visited an immigration lawyer and was told the following. If you get empadronado (your landlord or someone else you know that lives in Spain vouches for you officially) and then live in Spain for 2 years (working legally or illegally) you can apply for residence. |
In all the years I've known Spain I've NEVER heard of such a thing as an ''immigration lawyer''. Nor have I heard of landlords ''vouching'' for their tenants. How does this work? Is your landlord responsible if you break the law? Does he or she have to pay a fine if you do something wrong? |
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DMcK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
Nor have I heard of landlords ''vouching'' for their tenants. |
Don't know how it works but a potential employer told me the same thing only a few days ago. It's about becoming resident and (correct me if I'm wrong) getting the NIE number. |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I know of similar laws in other countries - it's extremely rare for a landlord to 'vouch' for a tenant - who would want to take such responsibility for a foreigner?
As a first step, you could try asking your landlord if he/she is willing to be responsible for you legally:) |
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Maria Kirby
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Fact - You can work in Spain on a student visa which gives you an NIE (I have one).
Fact - The Spanish government had an overseas recruitment campaign to bring Americans to work as English teachers in Spain. The Americans were brought over to work using student visas.
Is empadronado vouching for someone?
Do immigration lawyers exist in Spain?
Here's an interesting quote from Map Magazine in Madrid about how to get empadronado. I found it after putting "empadronado madrid" into Google.
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One of the first things you should do when you move to Spain is "empadronarse" or register yourself with the city's municipal government. Below are instructions to "empadronarse"in Madrid. We take no responsibility for these instructions, as we are not immigration lawyers. However, we're doing the best we can to help!
HOW TO APPLY
1) you can do it online
2) you can go in person to the same address they give you in the online form (based on your postal code). This does have one benefit: you can pick up your �Empadronamiento� temporary card (called a "volante") the same day you register.
Your application must include the following:
* The application form (hoja de empadromiento):
* Copy of your ID: Passport, DNI or national identity card, residency card, NIE, etc.
* Proof of residence (on the application form, one of your �empadronado-ed roomates can vouch for you, otherwise you�ll need to get your landlord to sign). |
Before you ask, I don't work for Map Magazine.
You're right about immigration lawyers. They aren't any immigration lawyers in Spain. Instead they have
abogados de inmigraci�n (if you need one, google using this phrase to get a list)
Abogados de inmigraci�n translates from Spanish to English as immigration lawyers.
This is my last post here. Word games are boring and serve no purpose. |
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Murasaki
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: ....And in 2009.... |
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Airport checks in almost all of Western Europe and the UK have gotten quite strict, with ppl who have overstayed their visas getting caught at passport control as they were leaving the country. So no longer whilst just entering, but upon leaving, you are checked to see if you have been in said country legally.
I cannot speak for the Baltic countries or Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, how strict they are or are becoming.
And as the list of non-EU countries has gotten more narrow and as more EU members join Schengen, pretty soon all that is left would be Russia, Ukraine, the Central Asian republics, Turkey......anyone care to relive the old Silk Road route? |
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spiral78
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| I've just returned from the States to the Netherlands via Brussels. In addition to the airport checks on both ends, there were passport control guys on the train. I'm legal, but I really had to prove it repeatedly. |
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spiral78
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spiral78
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spiral78
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toeknee
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 this is too much information! |
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SaratheSlytherin
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I'm from USA and I've had similar problems... it's frustrating and in my opinion, completely unfair. However, it's not completely impossible.
One thing I did find out... not sure if it applies to you... but the way I understand it, if you are an American, and hold a student visa (which you arrange at your US Embassy) then you are entitled to work up to a CERTAIN NUMBER of hours. Hope this helps...
Please correct me if I'm wrong? I heard this from a reliable source. |
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spiral78
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Sure. But it means a student visa to study at a school in Spain - you can't just go to Spain as a student registered at a US school and work legally.
Meaning only the US Embassy can't arrange it for you - it has to be in conjunction with your registration at a Spanish school. |
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