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Kurochan
Joined: 01 Mar 2003
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Location: China
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 Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:39 am Post subject: Worries and lousy students |
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| Twisting in the Wind wrote: |
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And what happens if (gasp) they fail? The kid loses face. The family loses face. Uncle Ying in Beijing loses face. And sometimes suicides result.
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Yeah, I really worry about that, particularly with the kids forced to go abroad. Maybe I've mentioned this before, but when I was an undergrad, sometimes my Chinese teacher would be late for class because she was called by the police to talk a suicidal Chinese student off of a rooftop. It was usually a grad student who didn't really want to go abroad, spoke poor oral English, maybe was given an assistantship but was ridiculed by students for being unintelligible ...
Also, I want to mention the belligerent students I was talking about before were American, from when I was teaching in grad school. What did I get teaching at a Big Ten school? Lice and gray hair! |
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Wolf
Joined: 10 May 2003
Posts: 1245
Location: Middle Earth
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Oh, yes. Of course, schooling is the be all and end all of education. Just ram those facts in there with a lexical pile driver (teachers, whatever.)
James Murray, who was THE FIRST EDITOR OF THE BLEEDING OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY. DOES IT GET ANY MORE SCHOLARLY THAN THAT left school at age 14.
Face? Sometimes I want to put this concept into a paper-shredder type device that is capable of shredding bad concepts. It is human nature and exists to some degree in all cultures (well, okay, it exists in every culture I have lived in including the one I was born into.)
If students commit sucide, or die from karoshi (death from overwork), or never have time in turn for their family, then who is winning? |
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scot47
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:25 pm Post subject: Stupid |
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Sounds like the last poster is a really successful teacher of the caring, sharing variety.
Does he regularly call his students "stupid" I wonder. |
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Wolf
Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: Middle Earth
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Stupid |
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| scot47 wrote: |
Sounds like the last poster is a really successful teacher of the caring, sharing variety.
Does he regularly call his students "stupid" I wonder. |
I am, acutally. 
My rant was semi-based on the suffering the majority of my Chinese students have to go through when it comes to exams, getting into a "good university, etc. ) And the parents of another poster who expect tip-top grades from their kids in spite of the kids suffering.
Actually, just the other day I begged my students to STOP saying "My English is very poor" as having a low opinion of one's self would affect learning . . . and is just all around unpleasant for yourself. And I didn't believe it.
In my four years of teaching I've never browbeat a student.
But I like semi-coherent rants. |
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