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tarte tatin
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This is all to do with the Turkish tendency to categorise people and pop them neatly into little boxes all labelled up according to marital status, city or country of origin and dress.
'Turkish people are hot' (titter titter)
'British people are cold' then they remember to add 'except you' with a puzzled look on their face
'People from Eastern Turkey are uneducated'
'Women who wear headscarves support the AK Party' - and will therefore inevitably lead the Turks into the next Iran.
Sure saves critical thinking. |
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Laura777
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I am subconsciously feeling pressure already to wear a headscarf. I am a Muslim and although this is my faith, I do not like to wear the scarf all the time. Only during prayer for me is it Necessary.
I am noticing, maybe its just my imagination, that more women are wearing scarves these days.
I dont want someone to dictate to me what I must wear. I dont want to live like the women do in Saudi Arabia.
Hopefully this to shall pass. People will calm down and this Fervor will calm down. |
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007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Laura777 wrote: |
| I am subconsciously feeling pressure already to wear a headscarf. I am a Muslim and although this is my faith, I do not like to wear the scarf all the time. Only during prayer for me is it Necessary. |
Laura, do not worry, nobody will force you to wear a headscarf or anything else. It is a matter of conviction, if you are not convinced within yourself and your heart, then it is matter between you and God, and in Islam there is no �representative� of God.
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| I am noticing, maybe its just my imagination, that more women are wearing scarves these days. |
I think this is only the effect of your imagination and �illusion�. When somebody thinks about something because of�propaganda� from the Media, then he thinks that this thing is everywhere and will cause �problems�. Just use your commonsense, and balance things using logic.
Women in Turkey are wearing scarves since long time ago, and nobody forced them to do so, but in the period of Kemalist, they were forced not to wear the scarf against their will. |
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FGT
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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I am probably one of the few posters who can remember Turkey in the 70s. I have recollections of a lot of scarves then, mostly worn in the village style rather than the Islamic style. I think that after the scarf was stigmatised in the 80s there might have been a decline in use in the cities, but that now it is finding its balance again.
Remember that the law that has just been overturned was a very recent one; nothing to do with the introduction of the republic under MKA.
I'm sure that a lot of women feel more comfortable wearing a scarf than not. |
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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When somebody thinks about something because of�propaganda� from the Media, then he thinks that this thing is everywhere and will cause �problems�. |
"he" I 'm sure you mean "they" or "someone", don't you 007?
Don't you believe women think, Mr Bond?
I'm sure in the world of international espionage a woman is just a sex object to be used as you wish and then thrown away, but many of us think a little differently. |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Lewis Collins' tortoise wrote: |
| I'm sure in the world of international espionage a woman is just a sex object to be used as you wish and then thrown away, but many of us think a little differently. |
It seems Mr le Tortoise watches a lot of Bond�s films!
The woman is a sex object not only in the espionage films; it is in reality a sex toy and object in the West, and this is manifested in the different products and the media, especially in the tabloid newspapers. In the West women are shown in a swim suit on a playboy magazines.
On the other hand West has no boundaries - the more the better!! |
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| 007 wrote: |
| Lewis Collins' tortoise wrote: |
| I'm sure in the world of international espionage a woman is just a sex object to be used as you wish and then thrown away, but many of us think a little differently. |
It seems Mr le Tortoise watches a lot of Bond�s films!
The woman is a sex object not only in the espionage films; it is in reality a sex toy and object in the West, and this is manifested in the different products and the media, especially in the tabloid newspapers. In the West women are shown in a swim suit on a playboy magazines.
On the other hand West has no boundaries - the more the better!! |
You're the one who calls themselves "007", addresses me as.."Mr" sorry..is that meant to be mean "Monsieur"... "le (masculine) Tortoise" (btw-for your information the correct form should actually be "Tortue" in French and it is ,as a noun, feminine.)
Are you trying to "engender" me? What makes you assume I'm a man?
"It is a sex toy..." Now, who's referring to women as objects?
What has "the West" go to do with anything? The West of where?
I thought we were talking about the situation re: the headscarf in Turkey.
Sadly "007" you've got the wrong end of the stick again. This is starting to become a habit with you. You really need to do your research a little more thoroughly. |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Lewis Collins' tortoise wrote: |
You're the one who calls themselves "007", addresses me as.."Mr" sorry..is that meant to be mean "Monsieur"... "le (masculine) Tortoise" (btw-for your information the correct form should actually be "Tortue" in French and it is ,as a noun, feminine.) |
Do you mean you are la belle tortue?
BTW, my number 007 has nothing to do with Mr Bond, my 007 is related to the mysterious number 7 of life!
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| Are you trying to "engender" me? What makes you assume I'm a man? |
I thought "Lewis" is a boy name not a girl!
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| What has "the West" go to do with anything? The West of where? |
The West has to do with everything and anything. |
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| 007 wrote: |
| Lewis Collins' tortoise wrote: |
You're the one who calls themselves "007", addresses me as.."Mr" sorry..is that meant to be mean "Monsieur"... "le (masculine) Tortoise" (btw-for your information the correct form should actually be "Tortue" in French and it is ,as a noun, feminine.) |
Do you mean you are la belle tortue?
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| Are you trying to "engender" me? What makes you assume I'm a man? |
I thought "Lewis" is a boy name not a girl!
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| What has "the West" go to do with anything? The West of where? |
The West has to do with everything and anything. |
Lewis Collins' tortoise... *see the apostrophe. I am sadly the property of said Lewis Collins.
Colin is also a boy's name as are Kilgore and Kurt.
The west is all relative.
Those of us in West Belfast/Yorkshire aren't sure about those in the east.
That whole hiphop east coast/west coast thing is a bit confusing too.
Does that mean, that like all but two of "007's" screen actors, you aren't actually English.
And there was me thinking you were "Good, loyal and true"
I'm green with envy. |
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007
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| Lewis Collins' tortoise wrote: |
Does that mean, that like all but two of "007's" screen actors, you aren't actually English.
And there was me thinking you were "Good, loyal and true"
I'm green with envy. |
No, I am not an English, I am from the land of sun living in the land of rain.  |
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 007 wrote: |
| Lewis Collins' tortoise wrote: |
Does that mean, that like all but two of "007's" screen actors, you aren't actually English. |
No, I am not an English, I am from the land of sun living in the land of rain. |
Well, I'm not English either.
And seen as this thread has been somewhat successfully derailed I will attempt to bring it back on line...
Do you think the attempt to ban "hoodies" from shopping centres is in anyway similar to banning the headscarf? |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you think the attempt to ban "hoodies" from shopping centres is in anyway similar to banning the headscarf? |
I guess you mean the ban of �hoodies� in the shopping centre Bluewater of Kent.
You have to take the whole �senario� into its context.
I think there is a big difference between the wearing of �hoodies� and the headscarf. The former is used as �stylish� and yobbish behaviour, and the latter is used as a religion/faith identity/obligation.
And you know very well that in UK or in Belfast, the majority of thieves and criminals use �hoodies� to protect their faces during their actions. So, we can conclude that �hoodies� is associated with bad things and also is seen as an �intimidating� uniform by the majority of UK people.
BUT, this does not mean that anybody who wears �hoodies� is a thief or a �yobby�. |
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FGT
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Which action would be more dangerous - to hug a hoodie or to hug a scarfy?
Discuss (calmly!) |
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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In order to clarify my views. (check my first post in this thread-if you're unsure of my position on this)
I state:
I believe people should be able to wear what they like.
They can put on ... a headscarf/ a hoody/trousers/jeans/ a brave face/airs and graces/the kettle/a concert/weight etc...
My point is that this debate should be extended so that things like school uniform rules should also be removed. As people are banned from wearing what they want.
If kids want to wear make up or jewellery or trousers or have long or short hair or long or short skirts what is that to do with education.
It has no bearing on what you're wearing... |
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The Truth
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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A word from someone who has been here a lıong time.
My logical viewpoint is that yes we should all be allowed to wear whatever we like but my Turkish experience tells me that this is the thin end of a wedge that will lead Turkey down a dark road.
How many of you aware of the group of private schools that have hidden agendas? There is a strong underground push towards a non-secular state, that is worrying many people.
It is not just the headscarf issue - in many cities more and more restaurants are becoming "dry" through desire or under pressure?
Strangely people who support the ruling party get favourable treatment when it comes to gaining contracts or favours.
A further point to remember is that what is making a lot of people uncomfortable is not just the headscarf itself but the fact that the constitution is being changed - there is a feeling that the present government is abusing its position - we have a pro islamic law prime minister and president (check their backgrounds).
Military coup around the corner? |
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