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Saudi work visa from France - possible?
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If they had problems getting visas you wouldn't have known them would you? I also know of few teachers in the Kingdom who had visa problems. I know of a hell of a lot who never made it though.


Me too - and almost all (if not all) of them have been from "Anglo" countries such as the US or Britain. Regarding your first point, in the places I've worked, I've usually known when a new teacher was 'in the pipeline', and so would have heard if their visa had been refused because they were the 'wrong' nationality. Now, I'm not sayng that the Saudis do not sometimes reject visa applications because of the applicant's nationality, but you will of course be well aware, visa applications can be rejected for a number of reasons, some of them transparant, some of them not.
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ghost



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

I will only apply to Saudi Arabia with either my Canadian passport, or a British passport (the latter will have to be renewed as it has 'died' past date limit). My French passport is incidental, and should never even have come into the discussion here, because possessing a French passport is not really relevant or desirable for a career TEFL teacher.

Finally, the only problem I will have to face, according to some, is my residence status in France as a Canadian passport holder. That is another reason for getting a new UK passport, which is valid for permanent residence in any EU country.

I know some have done it, but I don't think it would make sense to apply for an EFL position using a passport which does not belong to one of the anglo countries. I think Jones has a point there, which is valid.

Thank you.

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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My French passport is incidental, and should never even have come into the discussion here,


No - if you are applying for a Saudi visa in France, the fact that you will not be using your French passport is by no means incidental but is quite crucial.

It's your call, but, as you have been told several times already, applying for a visa in a country in which you do not (claim to) have citizenship and may not be able prove permanent legal residence, can be problematic. But, as I've said, it's entirely your choice.
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007



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost, why did you post the same text 3 times. You could have used the 'edit' option to edit/modiy your post without repeating it several times!

Stephen Jones wrote:
Has it ever occurred to you 007 that the voices you hear in the night are not direct revelations from Uncle Bandar, but a sign of ongoing mental instability?

Well, the voices I hear in the night in the magic kingdom are not from Uncle Bandar neither from Krishna of Sri Lanka. The voices I hear in the night are from the Angels of Sri Lanca, they are always complaining about Uncle Bandar in the magic kingdom!

So, it seems Stephen Jones is complaining from a rare syndrome called �Sri Lanka Syndrome� or �dhat syndrome�, which is caused by a mental disability and depressive disorders, and it is difficult to cure especially if you live in the magic kingdom.

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Alternatively, prove me wrong by giving a long list of sources for all Saudi Universities, both private and public, being exempt from the requirements for giving a work visa. Then give us evidence of how a university decided to hire a few Israelis, Iranians or Palestinians (with Palestinian passports not Jordanian or Syrian or others) and the visas turned up the next day.

This is an internal issue for the SA university to decide to grant or decline a visa to anybody based on some reasons (may be hidden).
But, as a principle universities in SA can grant a visa to anybody with any nationality (of course except enemy countries) to teach any subject, regardless if you are from Sri Lanka holding a British passport or from Tambokto holding a Somali passport!
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering that all three posts are exactly the same... even as to posting time... it is obviously a computer glitch.

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007



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
That is another reason for getting a new UK passport, which is valid for permanent residence in any EU country.

But, according to UK immigration rules you are not anymore a UK resident! Because you left UK for more than 3 years, and your residence now is not in UK, so I guess you might face another problem if you want to register as EU citizen in France, unless you use your French passport!
Having a British passport doesn't entitle you to the same treatment as someone who has been ordinarily resident in UK. For example, if you want to attend a university, unless you have been living in UK for 3 years, you will be charged overseas student fee instead of home student fee!

Check it my friend, these days things are more complicated than 10 years ago!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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unless you have been living in UK for 3 years, you will be charged overseas student fee instead of home student fee!


Anyone from the EU should be able to apply for home student fees - so that would apply to Spaniards, French and all other EU citizens.

Back to the Saudi visa.

Thank you for your input.

Ghost
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody who has been resident in an EU country in the previous three years qualifies as a home student. If you've been resident elsewhere it's a different ball game.

Now, how the UK proves anybody but a UK citizen has not been resident in his home country is a different matter.

With regard to taking up residence, 007 is, as usual, quite wrong. If your passport says you have the right of abode in the UK, then however long you have been out of it, you have the right to live in the UK or go to find work in another EU country.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: job offer Reply with quote

The official employment offer came today, and the University in Saudi will send the authorization to the Arabian Cultural Mission in Ottawa, Canada for the Saudi entry visa.

Once the authorization is sent to the Embassy, how long does it take to get the entry visa stamped into the passport?

It looks like I will be travelling back to Canada this summer for the formalities. Doing everything from France might have been a headache, especially with regard to 'residency' status in France.

How tough and onerous is the medical exam for the Saudi visa? Any other details you might have on other requirements for the Saudi visa would be welcome.

Thank you for any feedback you might have on the length of time to get the visa stamped into the passport, once the Embassy has received the authorization from the Saudi University.

Thank you.

Ghost in France
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007



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: job offer Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
Once the authorization is sent to the Embassy, how long does it take to get the entry visa stamped into the passport?

It looks like I will be travelling back to Canada this summer for the formalities. Doing everything from France might have been a headache, especially with regard to 'residency' status in France.

How tough and onerous is the medical exam for the Saudi visa? Any other details you might have on other requirements for the Saudi visa would be welcome.

Thank you for any feedback you might have on the length of time to get the visa stamped into the passport, once the Embassy has received the authorization from the Saudi University.

Nobody can answer this question for sure; it will depend on the embassy staff, your visa number from the magic kingdom, the result of your medical file, etc.
For the medical test, the embassy will give you a medical form to fill and to take it to different hospital/doctor for different medical test results like AIDS, chest, blood, etc. The most important is the AIDS and chest, I think in Canada like in UK you have to pay for them!
If you are registered with a Doctor/GP it would be better if you ask him to sign for normal medical tests, and you have to finish the others like the AIDS with a specialist AIDS clinic (it is a headache! Laughing ).
Also, you have to check with the embassy if they require for a Police clearance before they stamp the visa!
Also, you need to certify/notarize you academic certificates and work experience certificates (these are required by your employer - never give the originals to the embassy!).

So, I gues it will take you at least 6 weeks (full time) to finalise your documents for visa processing.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd check with the Saudi consulate exactly what you have to do. On occasion the real hassle has been the RCMP check. Hopefully the Canadians have got it sorted out by now, or the Saudis have lowered their requirements.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Letters of experience Reply with quote

What exactly is a 'letter of experience' and how do you obtain a copy? And how many letters of experience are needed for the work visa?

Does one letter from the last employer suffice, or do you need multiple copies of 'letters of experience'? Those might be difficult to obtain.

Whoever said that the Saudi visa was hard to get is right. I am looking at the requirements posted by the Saudi Embassy in Ottawa, and there are, indeed, a lot of hoops to jump through.

For example, the 'letters of experience' have to be certified by the Department of Foreign Affairs of Canada (tel: 613 995 0119) and I have a feeling that that will not be an easy task to accomplish. What exactly will the Department of Foreign Affairs of Canada check?

This will be a summer of jumping through a lot of hoops to get all the paperwork in for the Saudi Visa. Getting the Korean visa, was quite straightforward, in comparison.

Last of all - do you recommend only sending the documents when nothing is missing from the list, or is it worth sending the documents one has, and hoping for the best with regard to documents which are pending or difficult/impossible to obtain?

Ghost in France
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

personae gratae wrote:
English is now an international language...so, vive la France! Laughing
P.G

Well, I guess les Fran�ais sont toujours contre la langue anglaise, parce que ils pensent que L�anglais est la langue de L�imp�rialisme et le francais la langue de culture !
Abat la France et vive le Royaume Uni! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Letters of experience Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
What exactly is a 'letter of experience' and how do you obtain a copy? And how many letters of experience are needed for the work visa?

Does one letter from the last employer suffice, or do you need multiple copies of 'letters of experience'? Those might be difficult to obtain.

Letters of experience seem to be a Middle East thing that North Americans at least have never heard of. They assume that every employer that you ever had provided you with a letter stating the basic details of your job - dates - duties - salary... and be sure that it has stamps, the more ornate the better. Of course, we have none such for any job back home. And apparently not in the Far East either.

It is highly unlikely that one is able to get one from ex-employers outside of the Middle East. How much it matters depends on your employer. For instance, Kuwait University only gave you a step up their pay ladder based on the letters your provided. No letters, you start at the paltry base pay.

The fact that these have to be 'certified' by one's government just shows how meaningless the whole 'certification process' is. Do they think that our foreign offices have actually checked these things out?? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

This whole "certification" process is merely another way for our governments to separate us from more of our money.

VS
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