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sheikh radlinrol
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| scot47 wrote: |
"All Scots love money," So says this poisonous little weasel living on the Costa De Las Idiotas in Spain. Why DOES he come to this board when he has no ongoing interst in the Middle East - except to attack the regulars here?
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''Poisonous little weasel''  Away and bile yer heid! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
"All Scots love money," So says this poisonous little weasel living on the Costa De Las Idiotas in Spain. Why DOES he come to this board when he has no ongoing interst in the Middle East - except to attack the regulars here?
A poltroon ! |
Then, Scot, why honor him with a comment? Ignore him like most ignore me. 
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johnslat
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
Proof positive of the adage that Ignore-ance is Bliss.
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John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Dear NCTBA,
Proof positive of the adage that Ignore-ance is Bliss.
Regards,
John |
er...I've got nutin'! Good on ya, John! 
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Stephen Jones
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Oprah has been shown in Saudi since the early nineties. Presumably the 2004 date refers to a version dubbed into Arabic.
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| By the way, only in Saudi Arabia and in Taliban territory (offhand I can't think of any others) would a female victim of gang rape be sentenced to flogging for having been in a car with an unauthorized man. That's not a gross stereotype. It's the truth. |
Well, there are a couple of stereotypes in your account. Firstly you're forgetting to mention that the bloke was also gang-raped and sentenced the same as the woman, but then Hilary wouldn't be able to get any political mileage out of that. Secondly you are forgetting that Saudi is one of the few countries where being alone with a strange male is a crime. Had the woman been gang-raped in England and cocaine found in her possession you can bet your bottom dollar she would have been convicted.
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| Maybe so - none of the Saudi women I met deny the reality of Al Baz' suffering, but they all think of her as a shameless self-promoter. |
Does suggest to me that the Saudi women Cleo is talking to have serious psychological problems. There was nothing in her actions to suggest self-promotion. |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Well, Stephen, there's a big difference between the inhuman cruelty of the state lashing a gang-rape victim and the state sentencing the victim for possession of an illicit drug, which at most (if a first offense) might result in a fine and probation...admittedly, though, that depends on the type and amount of substance in her possession. But I do think a jury would have gone soft on her for the drugs, figuring she'd been punished enough, albeit outside the parameters of official justice. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| There was nothing in her actions to suggest self-promotion. |
I would say it's a matter of perception rather than hard fact. Plus, seeing as I don't believe you are fluent in Arabic (do correct me if I'm wrong) then you may not be particularly familiar with the woman's actions outside the Oprah show. BTW do you always consider those who disagree with you to have 'serious psychological problems'?
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| the inhuman cruelty of the state lashing a gang-rape victim |
I'm not that well-informed on this incident, but I have heard - from people who are very critical of the Saudi govt, BTW - that this case was rather less 'black and white' than was reported in the foreign media. Don't ask me about the details, however. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| For many people in Saudi Arabia, the USofA is the model to which they aspire, so why should it be strange that many of them watch Oprah W ? |
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007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| For many people in Saudi Arabia, the USofA is the model to which they aspire, so why should it be strange that many of them watch Oprah W ? |
For many Saudis, the Sheikh Luhaidan is the model which they aspire!
Well, Uncle Scot, I think the majority of people in the magic kingdom do not see Oprah as their model. But, to be fair, at least from a TV show critic, the Oprah show is not the worst picture available. Compared to �Dallas�, �Dynasty�, 'Little Britain', or the �Sex and City�, the Oprah show is fairly acceptable as a �harmless� or �inoffensive� show! |
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bje
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| For many people in Saudi Arabia, the USofA is the model to which they aspire, so why should it be strange that many of them watch Oprah W ? |
I would have thought it more a matter of curiosity rather than 'a model to which they aspire'. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: I'm talking trash |
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While there are certainly a lot of aspects of the USA that most Saudis do not "aspire" to, there are also a number of things associated with the USA that many like: the technology, the TV and movies, the music and the "fashions" are a few that spring immediately to mind.
Unfortunately, at least some of the "influence" that the USA spreads around the world is, in my opinion, trash. But let's face it - trash appeals to a lot of people.
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007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: I'm talking trash |
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Unfortunately, at least some of the "influence" that the USA spreads around the world is, in my opinion, trash. But let's face it - trash appeals to a lot of people.
Regards,
John |
Well, the most dangerous trash of the above is the High-Tech Toxic!! |
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scot47
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| I am sure that many in KSA see the future as a sort of "Islamic LA". "Blade Runer Goes to Riyadh". |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Most of the great societies these days produce both wonderful things and trash. You have not seen the most worthless, toxic TV shows until you've lived in Japan. Certainly, I won't waste a moment of my time with a lot of the US shows, including Oprah. But some of the finest shows in the world also come from the US. There nothing I have seen anywhere that is close to The Sopranos in quality, for example. The best stuff comes from HBO and other premium, commercial-free channels. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| For many people in Saudi Arabia, the USofA is the model to which they aspire, |
According to my own students, this may have been true - with some important qualifications - 10 or 15 years ago, but certainly is not anymore.
I've never met a Saudi - even among the relatively liberal, "Westernised" set I mostly deal with - who in any way sees the US as a model. I think John has it right: Saudis may admire the pop culture, education system and technological advances of the US, but in no way wish to see their socity Americanised in any deeper sense. I would also say that, since 9/11, Saudis look to America much less than they used to: you only have to look at the much reduced numbers of Saudis studying and travelling in the US to see that.
BTW I don't think we should read too much into the fact that some English speaking Saudis (hardly representative of the society as a whole) enjoy the Oprah Show. After all, I'm a big fan of several US TV shows, and I don't think anyone has ever accused me of wanting to emulate the US... |
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