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brian
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Are these forums moderated at all? I would like to see Seeburn go.  |
Heh. What's that noise?
Uh-oh! Thats the wrath of a Seeburn insult on its way. I can feel one coming and it's going to be a biggie.
Certainly most boards would have banned Jason long ago. He neither adds anything constructive to this site, nor does he abide by the requests of other users to tone down his insults. According to Jason, insults are his only way of articulating himself - most of us rely upon our education and the rules of common courtesy.
Despite all of this, I actually enjoy having the furry little fella around. This board would certainly be a much quieter and less entertaining place without him. His irrationality is always worth a laugh. In the same breath I wouldnt care awfully if he was removed from the board, so I am happy either way. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no recollection of what the clerks said to me. |
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| There�s your answer Taoyuan_steve. Jason clearly doesn�t have a good grounding in Chinese as he admits that he doesn�t even know what the 7-11 clerks say every time you walk in the door. Whilst this in itself is inconsequential, it certainly exposes how little involvement Jason could have had in the process of setting up a school, all of which would have been conducted in Chinese. Sure the bosses would have translated stuff, but we all know how much actually gets overlooked when this happens. Jason�s importance in the school set up has certainly become a lot clearer. |
- I have no recollection because I don't care what 7-11 clerks say to me. Actually, the clerk who worked at the 7-11 down the street from me never said anything when I walked in, he just looked at me. The girl at the high life across the street used to say hello, but I think she liked me. Are you and Tayou Stevie trying to say that, all across the island, 7-11 clerks all say the exact same thing, when someone walks into the store? This is making me unsure of your intelligence. Sometimes I wonder who I write to on these internet forums. In my experience, no one ever said the same thing twice to me on that island. Maybe it's just you (you're funny looking or something). BTW, you don't need chinese to help set up a school, especially if you have a bilingual assistant. Many people work in Taiwan and accomplish things, without speaking a word of the language. Its all about interpreters.
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| I tell people to come over on a one way ticket, and get flames and insults like you wouldn't believe. |
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| Jason check back through the posts. No one insulted nor belittled you over your claim to have arrived here on a one-way ticket � they merely offered an opposing point of view on the matter. It was your insecurity on the issue that caused you to initiate insults against others, and I think that everyone would agree that remarkable restraint (read maturity) has been shown by all posters here in not returning these insults. |
Go away, you annoy me. Stop bothering me, and I'll stop insulting you. In saying you exercise restraint, is this a veiled threat? Sure sounds like it.
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| You say you've received pms. Haven't we all? The difference is most of mine have been thank you letters from people I've warned about you when you've, once again, claimed to be a Taiwan expert, something you are clearly not. |
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| Once again Jason, why not use your considerable knowledge on Taiwan to actually build the information base of this site, rather than using it as a reference tool to try to knock down the advice of others. Start an informative post that proves how wrong we all are about you. |
all knowledge comes at a price. Sometimes other people's incorrect assumptions have to be knocked down with a person's concrete evidence to the contrary. Why don't you only post on topics on which you have direct experience, and not on any that you just feel that you know about?
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Are these forums moderated at all? I would like to see Seeburn go. |
thanks forti. always good to hear from you |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| brian wrote: |
| Fortigurn wrote: |
| Are these forums moderated at all? I would like to see Seeburn go. |
Heh. What's that noise?
Uh-oh! Thats the wrath of a Seeburn insult on its way. I can feel one coming and it's going to be a biggie.
Certainly most boards would have banned Jason long ago. He neither adds anything constructive to this site, nor does he abide by the requests of other users to tone down his insults. According to Jason, insults are his only way of articulating himself - most of us rely upon our education and the rules of common courtesy.
Despite all of this, I actually enjoy having the furry little fella around. This board would certainly be a much quieter and less entertaining place without him. His irrationality is always worth a laugh. In the same breath I wouldnt care awfully if he was removed from the board, so I am happy either way. |
I defy you to find a posting where I have insulted you. Go ahead, try... |
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Pop Fly
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Jason,
Change your name to Cleopatra, because you really are the queen of denial if you think you are not insulting people here. I tried to tell you a month ago to not get personal around here, but on you go. Your jabs are not even funny. They certainly aren't constructive, unless, of course, they help you forget the size of your Xiao De De. I guess that can be construed as constructive. If I had to go thru life feeling as inadequate as you do, then I too would probably grasp at any straw that would help me feel like a man. Sorry to inform you however, that you are appearing more like a spoiled little brat-boy. You really are a special kind of twit aren't you.
By not being able to find your insulting posts would only mean to me that you have editted them out. I have read all your posts and you are insulting everyone who gets drawn into your pitiful little sphere. Now I am in it. I can't wait to see what little treasures you have in store for me.
Every time you walked into a store here, someone said to you "Wa ning Gwa Ling" which means welcome to our establishment and as you left they again said "Xie Xie Gwa Ling" and I am sure your extensive experience here will help you to understand what that means. Every clerk in every store of every kind will say this when anyone walks in. However, you, Jason Self-absorbed, probably never even noticed that someone was being nice to you.
And the mere idea that you showed up on the island and were asked to "set up" a school is completely laughable. Anyone that would even ask your opinion of anything to do with running a school would have to be so desperate and misguided that their business would be *beep*-up already. You are a joke mister....but no one is laughing.
Get a life man....and stay out of ours. Please. |
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Jason do yourself a favor and stop disgracing yourself. You have come to this board after your single nine-month experience with a school in a very small town in Feng yuan (or wherever it was) and have tried time and time again to extrapolate your experiences as being representative of how things are done in Taiwan. Your ridiculous comments about 7-11 make it apparent that you mustn�t understand anymore Chinese than hello, goodbye and thank you � if that.
(For those who are missing this 7-11 situation � In Taiwan, employees of chain stores such as 7-11 are required to say [lit.] �Welcome for your coming� and �Thank you for your coming� to each customer that enters and exits the store. Therefore 80-90% of the time you enter one of these stores, you will be greeted with a chorus of voices welcoming you in. Of course if you didn�t understand Chinese then this would be lost on you, but after a few visits anyone with any grain of intelligence would realize that it is some form of greeting or announcement of the arrival and exit of a customer. This is standard practice throughout the island and also in the larger cities in mainland China).
As I mentioned in my earlier post, the fact that Jason doesn�t understand Chinese is almost inconsequential except for the fact that he claims to have been heavily involved in the set up of a school, which has always been his validation for a lot of the comments that he makes. The fact is that if you don�t have any proficiency in Chinese then your ability to be involved in a legal process such as setting up a school would be negligible. This is not to say that he didn�t try to be involved as much as he could, but considering the level of information that doesn�t get passed on in translation from Chinese staff to their foreign boss, I for one find it very difficult to believe that anyone would have taken the time to translate everything to Jason. And even if they did, his lack of experience would have meant that his suggestions were nothing more than guesses. If a boss was going to ask for assistance, there are plenty of locals that they could turn to for such advice.
This all begs the question � why would the Chinese owners of Jason�s school (who are obviously educated people as they are teachers within the government school system) ask or need a foreigner who doesn�t speak a word of Chinese and who has been in the country for a matter of months, to help them set up a school. It just doesn�t make sense. Now I don�t doubt that Jason feels that he was a major part of the set up of the school, but I think that it is clear that his inability in the language meant that he missed out on most of what was going on around him and that his input was in fact negligible. He may have involved himself in the process by asking questions and being curious, and I don�t doubt that his bosses accommodated his questions with an answer � this is just the way that Chinese people are. The fact remains however, that Jason had no experience in the set up of a school in Taiwan and therefore could not have offered anymore than token advice on the subject. I think that his postings on this board largely support this contention as he often makes reference to things that have never been said, or criticizes others for something that he actually did or said himself. It is almost as if he is living in a world of his own making, with no clear understanding of what is actually going on around him.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| I defy you to find a posting where I have insulted you. Go ahead, try... |
Actually there have been no posts where you have successfully insulted me. I recognize that you are nothing more than a troll on this board and therefore treat your comments with the disdain that they deserve. This is not to say that you haven�t tried, and here's just a few of your efforts to date. Oh and just to clarify, my definition of an insult in words that you as a �lawyer to be� should understand, is anything that you wouldn�t say to a judge presiding over a case that you really wanted to win.
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| Obviously, despite his senority, Brian is an absolutely horrible traveller. He knows not a single trick in the book. Wake up Brian, other people have intelligence and experience too. |
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| Man, you argue like a woman. B*tch and moan, never make a point. |
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| Think about it, genius. |
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| Why don't you stop saying nothing and start making sense. |
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| Teaching makes people soft I think. |
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| What is easier than finding an English Teaching job in Asia? Maybe finding a wall to *iss on when you're drunk? Thought I'd do something better with my life. |
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| True. It's funny when people laugh at you, but you don't know they're doing it (right, Brian?). |
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| All you did was (like most simpletons, which I assume you are) |
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| Sometimes people take what I say the wrong way, but I am not responsible for other people's stupidity. I assume a certain level of intelligence. |
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Are you and Tayou Stevie trying to say that, all across the island, 7-11 clerks all say the exact same thing, when someone walks into the store? This is making me unsure of your intelligence. Sometimes I wonder who I write to on these internet forums.
Maybe it's just you (you're funny looking or something). |
Yes, it�s true. Jason has been back through and edited some of his previous posts. Obviously he concedes that there is stuff in there that shouldn�t be.
Note to ones self Jason: As a lawyer to be you might want to learn never to put anything in writing unless you have to, and make darn sure anything that you do put in writing cant be construed by others to mean anything other than what you want it to mean. You never know what you wrote previously may just come back and bite you on the behind. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Pop Fly"]Jason,
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| Change your name to Cleopatra, because you really are the queen of denial if you think you are not insulting people here. I tried to tell you a month ago to not get personal around here, but on you go. Your jabs are not even funny. They certainly aren't constructive, unless, of course, they help you forget the size of your Xiao De De. I guess that can be construed as constructive. If I had to go thru life feeling as inadequate as you do, then I too would probably grasp at any straw that would help me feel like a man. Sorry to inform you however, that you are appearing more like a spoiled little brat-boy. You really are a special kind of twit aren't you. |
Now this is what I mean. I get insulted constantly, insult no one myself, and get blamed for all the insulting.
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| By not being able to find your insulting posts would only mean to me that you have editted them out. I have read all your posts and you are insulting everyone who gets drawn into your pitiful little sphere. Now I am in it. I can't wait to see what little treasures you have in store for me. |
None, sorry. You haven't disagreed with me yet.
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| Every time you walked into a store here, someone said to you "Wa ning Gwa Ling" which means welcome to our establishment and as you left they again said "Xie Xie Gwa Ling" and I am sure your extensive experience here will help you to understand what that means. Every clerk in every store of every kind will say this when anyone walks in. However, you, Jason Self-absorbed, probably never even noticed that someone was being nice to you. |
No, they only say that sometimes. Sometimes they don't say anything. You can't say that everyone on an entire island says the same thing. Maybe to you, but that would be you. In my experience, I always talked first when I entered a store. I find it interesting that while "Pop Fly" insists that:
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| Every time you walked into a store here, someone said to you "Wa ning Gwa Ling" which means welcome to our establishment and as you left they again said "Xie Xie Gwa Ling" |
Brian just as much insists that:
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| In Taiwan, employees of chain stores such as 7-11 are required to say [lit.] �Welcome for your coming� and �Thank you for your coming� to each customer that enters and exits the store. |
It is weird that the store employees say one thing to Brian, and another thing to "Pop Fly", and yet both insist that these people say the exact same thing, everywhere on the island, whenever someone walks into their stores. You'll notice that the Chinese are constantly saying "mehgwanshi" to you. This is not just what they say to everybody, this is what they say to people, who notice things, like what 7-11 clerks say, that don't matter. It means, of course, "that doesn't matter". They say it to you, because you are acting in a way that indicates that you are taking account of things that don't matter, and they want to remind you that these things don't matter. Like remembering what every 7-11 clerk says to you, for example.
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| And the mere idea that you showed up on the island and were asked to "set up" a school is completely laughable. Anyone that would even ask your opinion of anything to do with running a school would have to be so desperate and misguided that their business would be *beep*-up already. You are a joke mister....but no one is laughing. |
Well that's what I did. It worked quite well. They bought a new minivan and extended their school one level six months after I got there. Before I came they didn't even have an English school. Why so cynical? I guess if you are not successful, no one else can be either? Don't let my success make you angry. Everyone is not as great as me.
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| Get a life man....and stay out of ours. Please. |
Been trying to stay out of your lives for a while. You keep answering my posts when I give advice to people.
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| (For those who are missing this 7-11 situation � In Taiwan, employees of chain stores such as 7-11 are required to say [lit.] �Welcome for your coming� and �Thank you for your coming� to each customer that enters and exits the store. Therefore 80-90% of the time you enter one of these stores, you will be greeted with a chorus of voices welcoming you in. |
They are not! I have been in those stores when people walk in. They say nothing. The only time the clerks say something is when some scary looking foreigner walks in and looks like he just dropped out of another dimension. Then they say the first thing they can think of, usually something polite. You have no clue what 7-11 owners are required to say. You just make stuff up. I find it interesting that while "Pop Fly" insists that:
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| Every time you walked into a store here, someone said to you "Wa ning Gwa Ling" which means welcome to our establishment and as you left they again said "Xie Xie Gwa Ling" |
Brian just as much insists that:
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| In Taiwan, employees of chain stores such as 7-11 are required to say [lit.] �Welcome for your coming� and �Thank you for your coming� to each customer that enters and exits the store. |
It is weird that the store employees say one thing to Brian, and another thing to "Pop Fly", and yet both insist that these people say the exact same thing, everywhere on the island, whenever someone walks into their stores. You'll notice that the Chinese are constantly saying "mehgwanshi" to you. This is not just what they say to everybody, this is what they say to people, who notice things, like what 7-11 clerks say, that don't matter. It means, of course, "that doesn't matter". They say it to you, because you are acting in a way that indicates that you are taking account of things that don't matter, and they want to remind you that these things don't matter. Like remembering what every 7-11 clerk says to you, for example. When you notice something that does matter, please tell everyone. It would be neat to see that you have a personality and can digest things and come up with original observations.
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| Of course if you didn�t understand Chinese then this would be lost on you, but after a few visits anyone with any grain of intelligence would realize that it is some form of greeting or announcement of the arrival and exit of a customer. This is standard practice throughout the island and also in the larger cities in mainland China). |
Again, you're full of it. Standard practice when something frightens them, but that's it.
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| This all begs the question � why would the Chinese owners of Jason�s school (who are obviously educated people as they are teachers within the government school system) ask or need a foreigner who doesn�t speak a word of Chinese and who has been in the country for a matter of months, to help them set up a school. It just doesn�t make sense. Now I don�t doubt that Jason feels that he was a major part of the set up of the school, but I think that it is clear that his inability in the language meant that he missed out on most of what was going on around him and that his input was in fact negligible. He may have involved himself in the process by asking questions and being curious, and I don�t doubt that his bosses accommodated his questions with an answer � this is just the way that Chinese people are. The fact remains however, that Jason had no experience in the set up of a school in Taiwan and therefore could not have offered anymore than token advice on the subject. I think that his postings on this board largely support this contention as he often makes reference to things that have never been said, or criticizes others for something that he actually did or said himself. It is almost as if he is living in a world of his own making, with no clear understanding of what is actually going on around him. |
-they needed me because they were teachers, not business people, and they had never run an english school before. They needed to get kids, and to get their business license (registered in the name of the girl's mother, because she, as a teacher, could not own a school - neat little trick there eh?). There wasn't much to it really. I got them their textbooks, make their curriculum, did promotions to get them kids, watched the process of getting the building inspected and getting the business license, and then gave the classes. I know there is no required curriculum, because I made the curriculum and I just did whatever I liked, based on my experience working at other ESL schools. I also know that the business license process was fairly simple because that was done in a couple of days, after we decided to register the school in the name of the girl's mother. We had to get exit signs and fire extinguishers to pass the safety test, and then we had a school. The thing that pi**ed me off was that I became a salaried worker after all this, but then it was easy for me to leave because I had some face in the place I guess.
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| I defy you to find a posting where I have insulted you. Go ahead, try... |
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| Actually there have been no posts where you have successfully insulted me. I recognize that you are nothing more than a troll on this board and therefore treat your comments with the disdain that they deserve. This is not to say that you haven�t tried, and here's just a few of your efforts to date. Oh and just to clarify, my definition of an insult in words that you as a �lawyer to be� should understand, is anything that you wouldn�t say to a judge presiding over a case that you really wanted to win. |
Hmpf. Like you have any idea what goes on in a court.
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| Obviously, despite his senority, Brian is an absolutely horrible traveller. He knows not a single trick in the book. Wake up Brian, other people have intelligence and experience too. |
-That's not an insult. That's an observation.
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| Man, you argue like a woman. B*tch and moan, never make a point. |
-you were arguing like a woman. So I said so.
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| Think about it, genius. |
-I called you a genius. What's wrong with that?
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| Why don't you stop saying nothing and start making sense. |
-You were saying nothing. I told you to make sense.
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| Teaching makes people soft I think. |
-it does!
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| What is easier than finding an English Teaching job in Asia? Maybe finding a wall to *iss on when you're drunk? Thought I'd do something better with my life. |
-a very good observation on my part. There is nothing easier than finding an ESL job in Asia. Even McDonalds has more stringent hiring standards.
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| True. It's funny when people laugh at you, but you don't know they're doing it (right, Brian?). |
-Isn't it?
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| All you did was (like most simpletons, which I assume you are) |
-I was making an assumption. It was rebuttable. You could have said "you are wrong". If I was insulting you, I would have said "you are a simpleton!". But I didn't.
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| Sometimes people take what I say the wrong way, but I am not responsible for other people's stupidity. I assume a certain level of intelligence. |
-a very adept and insightful comment. I stand by it.
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| Are you and Tayou Stevie trying to say that, all across the island, 7-11 clerks all say the exact same thing, when someone walks into the store? This is making me unsure of your intelligence. Sometimes I wonder who I write to on these internet forums. |
-you were making me unsure of your intelligence. So I said so.
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| Yes, it�s true. Jason has been back through and edited some of his previous posts. Obviously he concedes that there is stuff in there that shouldn�t be. |
Another lie. Show me these posts that were edited.
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Note to ones self Jason: As a lawyer to be you might want to learn never to put anything in writing unless you have to,
and make darn sure |
Darn sure eh? Where did you learn to talk like that? Actually, it's good to put things in writing. That way you can prove what you said (like I am proving I never insulted you).
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| anything that you do put in writing cant be construed by others to mean anything other than what you want it to mean. |
Really. What law school did you graduate from that taught you that? Generally, I write what I mean. If people misunderstand, I clarify. If they still misunderstand, I clarify some more. If that doesn't work, I get pedagogical and assume retardation or developmental delay. In your case, I am getting very close to the third step.
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| You never know what you wrote previously may just come back and bite you on the behind. |
Aha! Another veiled threat. Be careful what you say, Brio. You never know how others might interpret it. |
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Wonder
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| Jason, you have WAY too much time on your hands. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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Wonder is correct. J-S does have too much time on his hands. He must have the highest post-per-day rate on this forum; and his posts are among the longest. It's common knowledge now that he contributes little.
I honestly didn't expect J-S to bite on the 7-11 question, but now that he has, I hope everyone who has thought about taking advice from him will reconsider. I gave him the 7-11 question after reading one of his other posts in which he pontificated on the importance of learning Mandarin. I knew he couldn't have learned any in his time here, but lack of knowledge hasn't prevented him before... I find it extraordinarily ignorant that he comes here solely for the purpose of, as he puts it, giving advice and not to learn. He so obviously has alot to learn about this place. I do too; however, I admit that frequently.
I've never disagreed with J-S's too frequently stated insight that one-way tickets are possible as a way to get here on 60 day visas. What I have stated, repeatedly, is that one-ways don't make sense financially. One ways are not half the price of round-trips (as J-S incorrectly argued), more like better than 3/4 the cost. The consensus of this forum has been that sticking to established norms minimizes risk to new-comers; just because one has succeeded in this loophole doesn't mean all will have similar success; and the financial advantage of round-trips makes sense since most will probably fly home for whatever reason within a year. J-S has not been able to accept that others disagree with him. However, for the record, I acknowledge (and always have) that he (and others) got here with a one-way ticket. I feel like a broken record repeating myself, but yes I acknowledge that it is possible to get here in that fashion. I don't think anyone disagreed with that state of affairs. Most of us just don't agree that it's the best way for everyone. I agree with Brian that most have shown monumental patience with someone who only knows ad hominen tactics and argues to to "win" rather than learn and accept others' opinions and experiences.
So why the almost daily insulting posts? I can only speculate. I guess J-S resents being revealed for what he is: someone who was here a very short time in relation to most expats, someone who know longer lives here, someone who is frequently wrong or lacking in knowledge, someone who admits to only wanting to advise rather than take advice (even if he so obviously has alot to learn) and someone who can get those who take advice from him into heaps of trouble over here. I can't, in good conscience, let him out of boredom spread misinformation without challenge. I know all too well what can happen to those who take bad advice. |
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brian
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Jason you seem to enjoy digging your own grave on this board. Why not just admit that you have been wrong, tidy up your act and start posting quality information on this board. Afterall you have always stated that you have a better knowledge than the rest of us of how things operate here in Taiwan � so let us be humbled by your knowledge.
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| Another lie. Show me these posts that were edited. |
Yes please, allow me retort to your suggestion that I am a liar for stating that you have edited your posts. You have stated that you haven�t edited any of your posts well here is the edited post that I was referring to:
Here�s a quote containing some of the text of your post made on November 30th prior to your edit
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| If you come to Taiwan with a Canadian passport, you already have an entry visa (pre-negotiated by your Canadian government) to a half dozen or so Asian countries, including South Korea and Japan. You just go with your passport, and you can stay for a certain number of days. So by travelling to Taiwan with a Canadian passport, you already meet the requirements for entry, without a return ticket. This is why they don't stop you at immigration on your way in, and why so many people are able to go on one way tickets. It has nothing to do with lack of enforcement. |
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| It pays to read the fine print, Brian. You can save yourself time and money. |
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Here�s what it says now as of your edit on December 2nd.
No trial, no jury, straight to execution!!
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| I have been in those stores when people walk in. They say nothing. The only time the clerks say something is when some scary looking foreigner walks in and looks like he just dropped out of another dimension. ... You have no clue what 7-11 owners are required to say. You just make stuff up. ... It is weird that the store employees say one thing to Brian, and another thing to "Pop Fly", and yet both insist that these people say the exact same thing, everywhere on the island, whenever someone walks into their stores. |
Jason your ignorance on this matter is embarassing. There is policy within these stores for staff to greet customers. Popfly and myself are in agreeance on what they say, Popfly having translated what they say into English, while I translated it literally. It is clear that they mean the same thing and to suggest that they dont is nothing more than a desperate effort to avoid accepting that you were wrong yet again.
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| You'll notice that the Chinese are constantly saying "mehgwanshi" to you. This is not just what they say to everybody, this is what they say to people, who notice things, like what 7-11 clerks say, that don't matter. It means, of course, "that doesn't matter". They say it to you, because you are acting in a way that indicates that you are taking account of things that don't matter, and they want to remind you that these things don't matter. Like remembering what every 7-11 clerk says to you, for example. When you notice something that does matter, please tell everyone. It would be neat to see that you have a personality and can digest things and come up with original observations. |
What!!?? Just as in English, people wouldn�t say it doesn�t matter unless you had said or done something that warranted such a reassurance. Is this paragraph some sort of pitiful effort to try and show that you are actually fluent in Chinese. If so, you failed miserably in your efforts.
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| -they needed me because they were teachers, not business people, and they had never run an english school before. |
Neither had you! That�s exactly my point. If they were conceding that they didn�t have any experience in setting up a school, and needed some professional help, they would have surely employed a local Chinese that had been through the process as a manager. It is becoming very clear that you have overstated your role in the setup of the school, which as your major �claim to fame� on this board must be awfully embarrassing for you.
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| �watched the process of getting the building inspected and getting the business license, and then gave the classes. � I also know that the business license process was fairly simple because that was done in a couple of days, after we decided to register the school in the name of the girl's mother. We had to get exit signs and fire extinguishers to pass the safety test, and then we had a school. |
Judging by your own summation above, I think that even you can see that your role in the setup of the school was superficial at best. I don�t doubt that you felt you were heavily involved, but isn�t now becoming clear that they were just humoring you.
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| Hmpf. Like you have any idea what goes on in a court. |
Actually Jason I have quite a deal of experience in court rooms back home, and before you suggest otherwise, I have always been on the right side of the law.
Finally, Jason you have yourself conceded that you are insulting. You have suggested that insults are your way of communication. Please don�t disgrace yourself by trying to now suggest that your comments towards me weren�t your attempt to be insulting.
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| That way you can prove what you said (like I am proving I never insulted you). |
Only in your own mind Jason. |
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I am starting a pool/poll. How long before JS really does realize he's run his tiny little peni..erm...pennant up his flagpole and no one's salutin'?
Predict the day of his last post and be the winner. As there is no currency available on this forum, bragging rights will have to suffice. If he is still posting after your guess expires, guess again. Uhhhm....we will go by Taiwan time as this is relevant to those of us actually living here.
For neatness and to possibly move it to it's own thread, please always use the "quote" function to post a guess.
I'm taking January 1st. I think he's the kinda guy that makes NYRs. And he's stubborn enough to stick to it, if he ever makes up his mind to. Less likely that he'll finally get the picture and slink away back into that over-taxed, frigid waste-pit, Tranna, Onterrible.
Brrrrrrr....the 401.....brrrrrrrrr
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jason_seeburn
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| I honestly didn't expect J-S to bite on the 7-11 question, but now that he has, I hope everyone who has thought about taking advice from him will reconsider. I gave him the 7-11 question after reading one of his other posts in which he pontificated on the importance of learning Mandarin. I knew he couldn't have learned any in his time here, but lack of knowledge hasn't prevented him before... I find it extraordinarily ignorant that he comes here solely for the purpose of, as he puts it, giving advice and not to learn. He so obviously has alot to learn about this place. I do too; however, I admit that frequently. |
I didn't say I didn't learn any Mandarin. I said I don't care what convenience store clerks say to me. The logic of people on this board continually amazes me. You make such incredible jumps with evidence that wouldn't satisfy a five year old. If I said that I couldn't remember what a taxi cab driver in Toronto said to me 9 months ago, would that mean that I couldn't speak English?
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| I've never disagreed with J-S's too frequently stated insight that one-way tickets are possible as a way to get here on 60 day visas. What I have stated, repeatedly, is that one-ways don't make sense financially. One ways are not half the price of round-trips (as J-S incorrectly argued), more like better than 3/4 the cost. The consensus of this forum has been that sticking to established norms minimizes risk to new-comers; |
To all newcomers: whatever you do, don't stick to the (old timer foreigner mandated) "established norms". You will get nowhere fast. A lot of the really scummy agents who rip off foreigers by charging schools more money to employ teachers than they pay the teachers, are old timer foreigners. It's really best to find your own way.
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Not everybody has a home to fly to, or a reason to go there. A lot of people who come to Taiwan to teach sublet or get rid of their appartments before leaving NA and have no where to go if they are forced to fly back and forth every year on round trip tickets that they neither want or need. Tayouan Steve has not been able to accept that others may be in a different position than him, and has not been able to accept that I am not disagreeing with him, or anyone else, but rather only offering alternatives based on the situations of all people who may come to Taiwan to teach English. What Steve refers to as "established norms" are actually his own norms, and everyone should realize that.
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| J-S has not been able to accept that others disagree with him. However, for the record, I acknowledge (and always have) that he (and others) got here with a one-way ticket. I feel like a broken record repeating myself, but yes I acknowledge that it is possible to get here in that fashion. I don't think anyone disagreed with that state of affairs. Most of us just don't agree that it's the best way for everyone. I agree with Brian that most have shown monumental patience with someone who only knows ad hominen tactics and argues to to "win" rather than learn and accept others' opinions and experiences. |
Someone like me could never possibly learn anything from someone like you. That would be like a blind person leading someone who has been temporarily blinded by strong sunlight across a street. Sure, the sunlight is not blinding him. He's already blind.
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I continue to attempt to make a point, and I find you amusing, much as I would find an animal in a cage amusing.
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| I can only speculate. I guess J-S resents being revealed for what he is: someone who was here a very short time in relation to most expats, someone who know longer lives here, someone who is frequently wrong or lacking in knowledge, someone who admits to only wanting to advise rather than take advice (even if he so obviously has alot to learn) and someone who can get those who take advice from him into heaps of trouble over here. I can't, in good conscience, let him out of boredom spread misinformation without challenge. I know all too well what can happen to those who take bad advice. |
I have nothing to learn from people who tell me that you need a return ticket to get to Taiwan. Nothing at all. |
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jason_seeburn
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| Here�s what it says now as of your edit on December 2nd. |
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| No trial, no jury, straight to execution!! |
I edited that not for insults, but because I gave the same information in a different form in a subsequent post, so the first was not needed anymore. There were no insults in that post. If you can find any, please post them.
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| I have been in those stores when people walk in. They say nothing. The only time the clerks say something is when some scary looking foreigner walks in and looks like he just dropped out of another dimension. ... You have no clue what 7-11 owners are required to say. You just make stuff up. ... It is weird that the store employees say one thing to Brian, and another thing to "Pop Fly", and yet both insist that these people say the exact same thing, everywhere on the island, whenever someone walks into their stores. |
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| Jason your ignorance on this matter is embarassing. There is policy within these stores for staff to greet customers. Popfly and myself are in agreeance on what they say, Popfly having translated what they say into English, while I translated it literally. It is clear that they mean the same thing and to suggest that they dont is nothing more than a desperate effort to avoid accepting that you were wrong yet again. |
Of course, you know everything about 7-11 policy in Taiwan. Where did you get this information? Do you know the people who run 7-11s? Do you know someone who works at one? The 7-11 at the corner of the street my appartment was on must have been breaking policy, because neither the guy nor the girl who worked there ever said anything to me or anyone else who went in there. The high life girl across the street was much friendlier, but only said hello to me (in English, while smiling - she didn't know any other english). What you say is just crazy. No one on that island ever said the same thing to me. I think your brain is entrophied or something. And I cannot see how "welcome for your coming" is the same as "welcome to our establishment". "coming" is a verb. "establishment" is a noun. They would not even be in the same place in a chinese sentence. They are two different sayings, and you are both wrong because they can't both be said, at the same time, everywhere, on the island.
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| You'll notice that the Chinese are constantly saying "mehgwanshi" to you. This is not just what they say to everybody, this is what they say to people, who notice things, like what 7-11 clerks say, that don't matter. It means, of course, "that doesn't matter". They say it to you, because you are acting in a way that indicates that you are taking account of things that don't matter, and they want to remind you that these things don't matter. Like remembering what every 7-11 clerk says to you, for example. When you notice something that does matter, please tell everyone. It would be neat to see that you have a personality and can digest things and come up with original observations. |
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| What!!?? Just as in English, people wouldn�t say it doesn�t matter unless you had said or done something that warranted such a reassurance. Is this paragraph some sort of pitiful effort to try and show that you are actually fluent in Chinese. If so, you failed miserably in your efforts. |
Nope. just fishing. And who are you to judge my "attempts"? You just recently judged that I didn't know any Chinese, because I didn't remember what a 7-11 clerk said to me about two years ago.
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| -they needed me because they were teachers, not business people, and they had never run an english school before. |
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| Neither had you! That�s exactly my point. |
How do you know that?
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No, they would have employed a lawyer, which they did. Employing local chinese managers is bad advice. I hope you never try to set up a business that way. I definately wouldn't attempt to do the legal requirements for setting up a school. I would employ a lawyer, who would do it for me. Everything else I would do myself (as I did). I claim no fame. I just give advice.
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| �watched the process of getting the building inspected and getting the business license, and then gave the classes. � I also know that the business license process was fairly simple because that was done in a couple of days, after we decided to register the school in the name of the girl's mother. We had to get exit signs and fire extinguishers to pass the safety test, and then we had a school. |
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| Judging by your own summation above, I think that even you can see that your role in the setup of the school was superficial at best. I don�t doubt that you felt you were heavily involved, but isn�t now becoming clear that they were just humoring you. |
Yeah, that's why I got them kids and made their curriculum for them. Very humourous.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Hmpf. Like you have any idea what goes on in a court. |
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| Actually Jason I have quite a deal of experience in court rooms back home, and before you suggest otherwise, I have always been on the right side of the law. |
Doing what, working as a secretary?
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| Finally, Jason you have yourself conceded that you are insulting. You have suggested that insults are your way of communication. Please don�t disgrace yourself by trying to now suggest that your comments towards me weren�t your attempt to be insulting. |
When thinking of how to take my comments, think of how a fly would take a flyswatter being aimed at it, and then imagine yourself to be the fly.
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| That way you can prove what you said (like I am proving I never insulted you). |
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| Only in your own mind Jason. |
Yes, the mind that caused the fingers to type, leading to the comments, that you find insulting. If you want to know what they mean, ask. |
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jason_seeburn
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I am starting a pool/poll. How long before JS really does realize he's run his tiny little peni..erm...pennant up his flagpole and no one's salutin'?
Predict the day of his last post and be the winner. As there is no currency available on this forum, bragging rights will have to suffice. If he is still posting after your guess expires, guess again. Uhhhm....we will go by Taiwan time as this is relevant to those of us actually living here.
For neatness and to possibly move it to it's own thread, please always use the "quote" function to post a guess.
I'm taking January 1st. I think he's the kinda guy that makes NYRs. And he's stubborn enough to stick to it, if he ever makes up his mind to. Less likely that he'll finally get the picture and slink away back into that over-taxed, frigid waste-pit, Tranna, Onterrible.
Brrrrrrr....the 401.....brrrrrrrrr |
Yeah, it sucks here. Cold and oppressive and taxed to the t*ts. I might get out of here soon once I graduate, but as far as ESL is concerned I'm finished with that. It's all about working for the multi-nationals (what tropical place DON'T they have an office in?). Regarding the taxation, remember I'm currently a student in one of the world's most socialist education systems, so while I have to listen to my fair share of government brainwashing cr*p, I do get everything for pretty much free (living off other people's taxes). It's all about location and what you are doing in the place where you are located.
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