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ITTP
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| spiral78 wrote: |
Most of the 'new' EU member states, such as Poland and the Czech Rep, Slovakia, etc. still do issue work visas to North Americans. It's a serious hassle, and expensive, but do-able.
Western Europe is essentially out of the question, barring some work/study program sponsored by your US university. |
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ITTP
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| Nor did I say that the visa process for the CR is expensive. I stated that the visa processes for the region can be - it is obviously not country-specific, and obviously costs change often. |
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SueH
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ITTP wrote: |
| It is doable and I don't agree with Spiral that people are 'watching pretty closely' for N.American English teachers - I think the authorities are more concerned with watching closely immigration waves from N.Africa. |
Well, there are NA teachers here in the north but they are generally official to my very local knowledge (marriage and cultural exchanges). Officialdom may not be particularly watching out but I live in a border area and you'd be hard pressed driving from Italy to France or Switzerland without being checked sometimes, even if the local plates help. Sometimes you see nobody - as last week when I drove UK/France/Belgium/Luxembourg/France/Switzerland/Italy in one day. Spoke to an official at the Italian borderaand that was just for him to tell me to wait as the tunnel was one way at a time.
But whatever you do, don't come here for the money!! |
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ITTP
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| SueH wrote: |
| But whatever you do, don't come here for the money!! |
Hi SueH!.
Yes, I agree: the teaching pay in Italy is terrible when you compare local costs, etc.
The updated Czech Republic work visa and Czech Republic work permit details for 2009 can be found here:
http://www.tefl-prague.com/phpBB2_TEFL/viewtopic.php?p=829#829
Costs have risen and Sigma's estimations are correct if you are going through the process on your own (with someone who speaks Czech).
The vast majority of our grads are assisted with the process now through their language school and this usually represents a discount for the teacher.
If you are applying for the permit/visa without the help of your school or without the help of a local then expect to pay more and expect a lot more hassles.
ITTP assists its trainees and grads with visa and work permit procedure through our local in international job assistance program. The schools which we work with are active in taking teachers through the visa and work permit process as smoothly and quickly and affordably as possible - it is in the interests of the schools to have their teachers legal to teach ASAP as most schools will take teachers on while the work permit and visa is being processed.
Hezky den!/Lovely day!
Neville 
ITTP Prague
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kc4real
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
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Location: VA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: spain? |
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I have heard that north americans can find work for the summer, legally, probably less then 90 days, in spain, does anyone know if this is acruate that you can find short term work legally there,
thanks1 |
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newsygirl
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobody mentioned credible study, only nominally study to facilitate the fraudulent uptake of student loans and/or parental payment of student fees and the opportunity to work illegally as an unqualified language 'teacher' which in turn undercuts the ability of local legal labour to bargain to improve their deplorable pay and conditions. |
I just wanted to let STILLNOSHEEP that I agree with everything that you have written.
If I had a rich mommy and daddy to pay my way to study abroad (parents mind you who don't care I was really are recieving an education or not) just to earn a student visa and than work in the E.U...ok. But still foreign students studying in the E.U. usually have to apply for a work visa anyway. In many countries a student visa dosn't mean your are able to work legally.
I myself am against illegal employment in my own country, so I would never go and work illegally (intentionaly) in any other country.
I support you all in wanting to work in western E.U. ( I was once one of you), but if you read the hundreds of postings on the Italy, Spain, etc in these forums, you will see the many reasons on why you shouldn't do it. Try working in Eastern Europe were it is easier to get a visa and then on your time off take a bus/plane/train ride to the western E.U. countries that you want to visit. Travel within Europe is cheap. And if you travel by bus or train, the authorities don't usually check passports and visas. Once you are in Europe it easier to get around. You will however need a visa visit to other E.U. countries after your 90 days visa has expired (with or without a work visa), but at least you will have the peace of mind knowing that you did things the right way and not have to lose sleep wondering if the authorities will get you.
p.s. When I was passing through Dusseldorf airport in May '08 from Vienna, the immigration officals checked my passport to make sure that I didn't over stay my welcome. Be careful! Other countries could be doing the same thing. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: Re: spain? |
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| kc4real wrote: |
I have heard that north americans can find work for the summer, legally, probably less then 90 days, in spain, does anyone know if this is acruate that you can find short term work legally there,
thanks1 |
I know that TECS a summer camp USED to, but don't know if they still do. You might find some others that do on tefl.com |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: |
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And if you travel by bus or train, the authorities don't usually check passports and visas.
Actually, I was checked on both a train and a bus yesterday travelling from Prague to Amsterdam. May be relatively rare, but definitely can happen! (I'm legal) |
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naturegirl321
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Guess it'll be pretty much impossible for people without a passport from an EU country, or those with agreements, like Switzerland or those not married to a local to work in the EU in the near future.
Then again, Europe has a large elderly population, so laws might relax in a couple of years. |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| 'Large elderly population' = fewer students as well as fewer teachers. If you want to follow the demographic train of thought on the issue. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Darn, still, the money's in kids and business English. |
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johnnyappleseed
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Location: Vsetin Czech Republic
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| The Czech Republic has recently made it easier for some(ten, I believe) non-EU countries(including the USA) to apply for a visa. The last year was really tough--we hired someone last march and he wasn't able to start until January due to the visa process. I'm not yet sure how it's been simplified, but it is good news for Americans(as well as CAnadians and Aussies, I think) wanting to move here. |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| Darn, still, the money's in kids and business English. |
re:kids, not here. I never teach kids and have had no problem getting 30+ clock hours a week though I'm beginning to see the first signs of a slowdown. The language centre I work for doesn't even offer kids classes and the youngest students have been 17 plus. |
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AdamtheJohnson
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So the outlook for teachers is crap. What is the outlook for normal jobs?
I mean, it can't be impossible for an American citizen to move to France, can it? And find work to get by on?
Seems like the only way to get to France is to marry a French citizen on holiday and not leave.
No jobs in tourism or restaurants or anything like that? |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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It is possible to get exceptional work visa IF you have skills that are needed by the country, and their own/other EU citizens can't fill. For example, I know some engineers from the US who have exceptional visas to work in France.
The problem is that low-skilled jobs that you 'just find something in a hotel or restaurant to get by' won't qualify for specialist visas. They will also require fluent French, in most cases.
So, for low-to-mid skilled type jobs - well, no, not legally. |
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