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Hansen
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YSICB,
Citizenship and residency are not the same. USA has lots of residents who are not citizens.
George Hatem was an American who joined up with Mao in the early days and went on the Long March. He lived in China more than 50 years. He was instrumental in developing health programs that benefitted the people. He is not well known, unlike his contemporary, the Canadian Bethune,who was here just a short time before being killed. Hatem, whose Chinese name was Ma Haide, aided the Chinese government in treating and eliminating VD.
Not sure about his citizenship status but he was allowed to live here and was personally protected during the Cultural Revolution by Chou En Lai.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-10/22/content_713979.htm
http://www.archive.org/details/openmind_ep622
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evaforsure
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| Also, when they refuse to surrender their passport as their FRP expires, they become illegal aliens in China. But, I suppose that trumps having an L visa in their mind. |
A school has no legal right to demand the FT to surrender the passport....and if the RP is valid .... they are not illegal aliens as their is no national requirement to change an RP for an L unless you intend to become a tourist...
What I find interesting is a school coming from the position of compliance as opposed to the FTs position of versatility of employment...advice offered seems to align itself with an advantage for the employer and none for the emplyee....the changing of the RP to an L will serve no other purpose then to make it harder for the FT to seek and find additonal employment without addtional procedures or applying for the work status from outside China... that is not benificial and the notion that you should have a job lined up before finishing a contract is not concurent with the lifestyle favored by the FT...people want to make their own choices without a school obligating them to additonal administrative process for the sole purpose of school compliance to a local authority...
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| Of course, SAFEA and the PSB use national databases these days and when you burn your bridges, you might just close a lot of employment doors in your own face. |
Scare tactic used by schools to control the FTs... dont buy the hype...data bases are not used to sort out diffrence between employee and employer...the keeping of the FEC, if they even ask for it...is not a criminal offense....and the wise thing to do is just request the information from you future employer...does he want the FEC or not.. for those who want to look around for a job.... it is wise to keep the FEC..
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But, you can put that theory to the test. Just ask the FAO at a new school if it is ok if you arrive with an expired FEC, no release letter, no letter of reference, while on illegal overstay status, if they can help you. Oh, and can they please not contact your previous employer? Hilarity ensues. |
Wise to ask the FAO if transfer of the FEC is possible....but the FEC wouldnt be expired if it was still valid which is the only wy you can transfer it...as far as release letter...again let the new employer handle it...after all with the FEC.. you have options...and it is not illegal to continue to use the RP ...... if you change to an L.. you will have the additonal problems of converting to a z again...or worse yet to leave the country....advice of this nature often only takes the employer into acct and not the employee... |
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Teatime of Soul
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Evaforsure:
Your recommendations are:
1. Steal your school's FEC
2. Refuse to allow the PSB to convert your expiring FRP into an L visa (which will make you illegal)
3. Arrive at your new school with either no, or a radioactively bad reference
4. Dump the whole problem on your new FAO to magically fix.
Brilliant scheme.
So much more clever than following the simple transfer procedures.
Don't forget to ask for a unicorn too.
p.s. Please stop recycling the bald untruth that returning your school's FEC is somehow optional if your school demands it return. |
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kungfucowboy83
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um teatime i belive eva's advice was to change jobs after you finished your work at the first school but before your rp expired.
in which case
1) the deadline to return the fec hasn't arrived
2) your rp is not expired so you are not illegal
3)there is no reason you would have a bad rep yet
4)it's the fao's job to get you a visa
the point is if you don't wait untill the last minute to find a new job, you won't have any reason to convert to an L visa. |
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Teatime of Soul
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| don't wait untill the last minute to find a new job, you won't have any reason to convert to an L visa. |
Exactly. But the point I am refuting is that evaforsure, it seems, may be attempting to endorse the notion that the FT is not obligated to return the FEC if the school demands it back.
Some PSB instruct schools to either present the passport of, or the FT bearing his passport, to their offices to convert the FRP to an L visa in every instance where the FT is departing the school with more than 30 days remaining on the FRP; unless the FT has had the FRP transferred prior to departure.
Some local PSBs require that schools produce the FEC of departed FTs.
So I can see how some FTs who don't plan ahead may well encounter some resistance if they propose to not return their FEC when the school requires it, or allow the PSB to convert their FRP when the PSB has instructed this to happen.
It's not so much an issue between the school and the FT as an issue between the FT and the local PSB in such cases.
In those cases, the FT isn't flouting the school's rules, but rather the local PSB's procedures.
I suspect that the school and the PSB are not entirely incapable of some response.
But, planning ahead would likely eliminate any such worries. Just have the new employer transfer the FEC first.
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evaforsure
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evaforsure
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| Exactly. But the point I am refuting is that evaforsure, it seems, may be attempting to endorse the notion that the FT is not obligated to return the FEC if the school demands it back. |
NO what I am endorsing is that the FT take care of themselves first and not worry about the school but instead worry about the ability to transfer jobs without leaving the country.... anyway possible is the method the FT should take...and the notions you speak of is from experiences changing jobs.. but if you would like to relate your experience instead posting scare tactics, it would have more weight....
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| p.s. Please stop recycling the bald untruth that returning your school's FEC is somehow optional if your school demands it return. |
It must be optional if some schools ask for it and some don�t.. in eight years only one school has asked for it back and then that school tried to prevent me from working elsewhere....a school that ask for it back may very well try and cancel an FTs chance to work elsewhere.. and the PSB's intention is not clear on this.. as it seems that the schools are the motivating factor in the changing of visas... but the truth of the matter is .. in some cases you will need the FEC to change jobs without leaving the country.. and if you want to look around for a new job, you shouldn�t cancel the RP.. to do so will only send you out of the country for a new visa...additional expense just to please the head master.,...not on my watch.. I am saying tht the FT should only be concerned for themselves...this business culture in China is full of people who will only serve the purpose of the their business.. but as to my advice .... take care of yourself first...
I think many would be surprised that many of the posters who advise cowling down to the headmaster have in fact come to China on a L visa, converted it, not finished contracts, kept FECs and traveled on RPs while looking for another job....What I am saying it to make up your own mind as to which way you want to go...
Imagine this... you give up your RP and take the L...give up your FEC because you have already found a job, but when you get to the location... no one is there to process paperwork cause they are all gone for summer break...so you need a job quick and a way to stay in china til you sort it out...but in the shape you are in now...since you took the word of knowing folks on this board....you have no alternative...yea .. it is all well and good to plan everything out in advance...but TIC and something always goes wrong.. all I have posted about is insuring the FTs ability to work.. and I have said many times before if you don�t need it .. then send it back.. but if you need it .. then you better have it... a release letter is far easier to achieve then a new FEC book....keep the elements of negotiation
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p.s. Please stop recycling the bald untruth that returning your school's FEC is somehow optional if your school demands it return. |
china is a landscape of unsure events and surprises, almost all a continued hardship......you can bet the advice of the school will only benefit the schools and not the FT...Continued deception is a hallmark of a language school in China ... why would you .... CARE what I post.... it is my opinion that it is optional.... that is based on 8 years experience... it is supposed to be returned to the issuing authority.. and that my friend is SAFEA.. and that is how I was able to change jobs by using the FEC...Turn it into my new employer and they take are of the paperwork.. Without it.. I am taking a trip to HK.... |
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Teatime of Soul
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| Imagine this... you give up your RP and take the L...give up your FEC because you have already found a job, but when you get to the location... no one is there to process paperwork cause they are all gone for summer break...so you need a job quick |
That's why you have the documents finished before you leave your old school.
You already have your new FRP in your passport before you leave your old school. Get it?
You wouldn't need a job quick if you planned ahead.
I suppose, given the scenario you describe, that if someone is incapable of enough forward planning that they fail to transfer their FRP prior to arriving at their new school, they are may also be incapable of determining when summer holidays are at their new school too.
Do you really think most FTs are so incompetent that they have to resort to theft as a compensatory measure?
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I'm curious how this clever plan works out.
TEACHER: I'm leaving the school next week so I'd like to get my final pay next Friday, and a Letter of Reference and a Letter of Release.
SCHOOL FAO: No problem. By the way, since you are leaving with more than 30s open on your FRP, the local PSB wants you in their office Wednesday where they will check to see if you have transferred your FEC to your new school. If you haven't, they'll be replacing it with an L visa. Also, you need to return the FEC we provided you.
TEACHER: I won't go to the PSB and I refuse to return the FEC you provided. Now, when can I expect my pay and Letter of Release and a Letter of Recommendation?
FAO: ________________________________
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Joe C.
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If you are married to a Chinese citizen, your spouse takes you to the Public Security Office and she shows them your redbook (marriage papers), her national ID, and your passport and they issue a residency permit good for one year. You must renew this permit every year for (I can't remember how many times) and then you can start getting five year permits. This is the information from the Chinese Consulate as well as all of the visa information sites pertaining to marrying a Chinese citizen and either bringing them here or going to live there.
Now, I have the residency permit covered. Do I need a Z visa to be able to get a FEC and go to work? If I MUST have a Z visa to work legally, can I get that in China or will I need to leave and come back? |
You are confused.
You will not get a residence permit of any sort based upon your marriage to a Chinese national. You can get a special one-year tourist (L) visa which allows you to live in China, but does not allow you to work.
If you want to work, you must obtain an approved employer and then have that employer obtain a work permit for you. The PSB will then process you for a work-related residence permit which will then replace your L visa. |
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Joe C.
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I think the D visa allows a 10 year residency before renewal, it is not citizenship at all, just a long term visa (residence permit).
Ostensibly, a D visa would be convenient to both China and the visa holder since it would eliminate having to renew a visa every year.
However, in practice, I think the D visa is reserved for those who China holds near and dear to its heart and the D visa is used chiefly to bestow that status upon those whose cultural and economic contributions are highly valued. |
First of all, the "D" visa has been virtually eliminated. It is only used for those who while outside of China apply and are approved for permanent residence. Much like a "Z" visa, the "D" visa enables the person to enter China and within 30 days complete the formalities to obtain their permanent residence ID card (i.e. green card).
Just like the first ID card a Chinese citizen gets, the green card is valid for ten years. As long as one meets the requirements, they are guaranteed renewal without limitations (i.e. permanently).
The implementation regulations on permanent residency specify about 6 categories under which one can qualify for permanent residence. It is not easy to apply successfully. |
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Joe C.
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Chengdu
I'd like to hear about the two people you know who have received "D" visas. Am I correct in understanding those to be the equivalent of a "green card" in America?
I have heard, and I admit that this is hearsay, that the "D" card is rarely issued. Easy to apply for, nearly impossible to receive. Since you know two people who have them, please tell us more. |
The "D" visa has been virtually eliminated. If you are in China already and meet the requirements, you can apply for permanent residency. If approved -- and very few are -- you are issued a permanent residence ID card and all visas currently issued in your name are cancelled.
Yes, the Chinese permanent residence ID card is basically like an American green card. In fact, even in China they term them green cards. |
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Joe C.
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Resident (D) Visa
Updated: 19/09/2008
Resident Visa (D Visa) is issued to an alien who comes to reside permanently in China.
.Please submit the following documents for your application:
1. Passport: Your valid passport must have at least six (6) months of remaining validity with at least one blank visa page in it.
2. Application form: One completed Visa Application Form (Q1)
3. Photo: Photo: one photo of 2*2 square inch (black & white or color is acceptable) glued or stapled on the application form.
4. Residence Approval Certificate issued by the Chinese public security bureau. (The applicant may entrust his or her relatives within China to apply for this certificate with the said authority.)
.How to apply
1.You may submit the application to the Visa Office of the Embassy or Consulate -General which holds consular jurisdiction over the state where you reside;
2.If you cannot come in person, you may entrust someone else or a travel/visa agent to drop off your application at the visa office of the Embassy or Consulate -General which holds consular jurisdiction over the state where you reside.
No appointment is required.
Mailed applications are not acceptable and will be returned.
Mail back service is available (make sure you read INSTRUCTIONS FOR APPLICATION MAIL SERVICE) .
.Processing Time
1.The regular processing time is 4 working days.
2.Express service: 2-3 working days processing, $20 will be charged per visa.
3.Same day rush service: additional fee of $30 for 1 working day processing (applications presented before 12:30pm may be picked up between 2:30pm-3:00pm on the same day).
.Visa fees
1.Please pay by Visa, MasterCard, Money Order, Cashier's Check, Company Check or Cash. Personal checks are not acceptable.
2.Please make the check or money order payable to the Chinese Embassy.
3.Fee:$130 for American, and $30 for Citizens of other countries.
.Additional Information
1.If the visa application form is not filled out completely, correctly and legibly, this can cause a delay in processing or refusal of the requested visa.
2.D visa is valid for one entry,six months. The holder of a D visa shall go through residential formalities in the local public security department within thirty days of entry into China.
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Or, a residency permit can be issued at the Public Security Office as I mentioned above...
On the residency permit, I know exactly what I am talking about. My fiancee and I have spent a great deal of time researching this, including talking to the Chinese Embassy and the Public Security Office.
What I am still confused about is the Z visa. Get it before I come, can I get it after I get there...I have written again to the Embassy. When I get their answer, I will post it for everyone... |
You are most definitely ineligible for permanent residence. Once you apply for permanent residence and your application approved (which takes about one year), you are issued a "D" visa which is converted into a Chinese green card within 30 days of arrival.
There are several distinct categories under which permanent residence may be granted. You meet none of them. To qualify as the spouse of a Chinese citizen or a Chinese permanent resident, you need to be married for at least 5 years, have lived continuously in China for 5 years subsequent to marriage and immediately prior to applying for permanent residency, have a "stable" residence (i.e. own your own home), have a "stable" job (i.e. permanent staff in a Chinese company), pass a background investigation and provide proof of no criminal convictions in your home country. MOD EDIT
You're not qualified. |
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Teatime of Soul
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I knew there was some reason they rejected me.  |
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chengdu4me
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Location: Chengdu, Sichuan, China
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| chengdu4me wrote: |
Resident (D) Visa
Updated: 19/09/2008
Resident Visa (D Visa) is issued to an alien who comes to reside permanently in China.
Ⅰ.Please submit the following documents for your application:
1. Passport: Your valid passport must have at least six (6) months of remaining validity with at least one blank visa page in it.
2. Application form: One completed Visa Application Form (Q1)
3. Photo: Photo: one photo of 2*2 square inch (black & white or color is acceptable) glued or stapled on the application form.
4. Residence Approval Certificate issued by the Chinese public security bureau. (The applicant may entrust his or her relatives within China to apply for this certificate with the said authority.)
Ⅱ.How to apply
1.You may submit the application to the Visa Office of the Embassy or Consulate -General which holds consular jurisdiction over the state where you reside;
2.If you cannot come in person, you may entrust someone else or a travel/visa agent to drop off your application at the visa office of the Embassy or Consulate -General which holds consular jurisdiction over the state where you reside.
▲No appointment is required.
▲Mailed applications are not acceptable and will be returned.
▲Mail back service is available (make sure you read INSTRUCTIONS FOR APPLICATION MAIL SERVICE) .
Ⅲ.Processing Time
1.The regular processing time is 4 working days.
2.Express service: 2-3 working days processing, $20 will be charged per visa.
3.Same day rush service: additional fee of $30 for 1 working day processing (applications presented before 12:30pm may be picked up between 2:30pm-3:00pm on the same day).
Ⅳ.Visa fees
1.Please pay by Visa, MasterCard, Money Order, Cashier's Check, Company Check or Cash. Personal checks are not acceptable.
2.Please make the check or money order payable to the Chinese Embassy.
3.Fee:$130 for American, and $30 for Citizens of other countries.
Ⅴ.Additional Information
1.If the visa application form is not filled out completely, correctly and legibly, this can cause a delay in processing or refusal of the requested visa.
2.D visa is valid for one entry,six months. The holder of a D visa shall go through residential formalities in the local public security department within thirty days of entry into China.
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Or, a residency permit can be issued at the Public Security Office as I mentioned above...
On the residency permit, I know exactly what I am talking about. My fiancee and I have spent a great deal of time researching this, including talking to the Chinese Embassy and the Public Security Office.
What I am still confused about is the Z visa. Get it before I come, can I get it after I get there...I have written again to the Embassy. When I get their answer, I will post it for everyone... |
You are most definitely ineligible for permanent residence. Once you apply for permanent residence and your application approved (which takes about one year), you are issued a "D" visa which is converted into a Chinese green card within 30 days of arrival.
There are several distinct categories under which permanent residence may be granted. You meet none of them. To qualify as the spouse of a Chinese citizen or a Chinese permanent resident, you need to be married for at least 5 years, have lived continuously in China for 5 years subsequent to marriage and immediately prior to applying for permanent residency, have a "stable" residence (i.e. own your own home), have a "stable" job (i.e. permanent staff in a Chinese company), pass a background investigation and provide proof of no criminal convictions in your home country. You also need the common sense that God gave a cat.
You're not qualified. |
It is so nice to see someone that is so sure of them self and so damn wrong at the same time. While I may or may not be able to get a D visa, I have a friend in Chengdu that has a D visa. He is American. He is married to a Chinese citizen. He is retired, as in not working at all. He has been in China for two years and he received his D visa while in the states before moving to China. I just spoke with him two days ago and I asked him how he got it. He told me that he requested it, sent a letter with his visa application stating that he was moving to China permanently, listed the assets he was transferring (less than $500,000), provided a copy of his marriage book, a copy of the approved residency permit from the local PSB, a copy of his mortgage contract for their home in Chengdu where he would be living and one week later he had a D visa. stamped in his passport.
My other friend that has a D visa has been living in China for 7 years now. He is also retired, but works part-time as an auditor for Intel in Chengdu. According to him, Intel did the magic to get him the D visa.He is married to a Chinese citizen, and owns a home. He has had his D visa for one year now.
Whether or not China is phasing out the D visa is a different issue. So, it may not even be around when I apply and thats OK, too....
The temporary approval to live in China for up to a year is a locally issued extension and waiver to the L/Z visa visit time limitations...It is also known as a residency permit since if you are in one place for more than a visit, then you must be a resident! Everyone here refers to this as a residency permit.
The one thing you can count on about China is that as soon as you think you are dead right...you're obviously wrong! Anyone that is/was married is very well versed in this concept!  |
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Joe C.
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| Joe C. wrote: |
| chengdu4me wrote: |
Resident (D) Visa
Updated: 19/09/2008
Resident Visa (D Visa) is issued to an alien who comes to reside permanently in China.
Ⅰ.Please submit the following documents for your application:
1. Passport: Your valid passport must have at least six (6) months of remaining validity with at least one blank visa page in it.
2. Application form: One completed Visa Application Form (Q1)
3. Photo: Photo: one photo of 2*2 square inch (black & white or color is acceptable) glued or stapled on the application form.
4. Residence Approval Certificate issued by the Chinese public security bureau. (The applicant may entrust his or her relatives within China to apply for this certificate with the said authority.)
Ⅱ.How to apply
1.You may submit the application to the Visa Office of the Embassy or Consulate -General which holds consular jurisdiction over the state where you reside;
2.If you cannot come in person, you may entrust someone else or a travel/visa agent to drop off your application at the visa office of the Embassy or Consulate -General which holds consular jurisdiction over the state where you reside.
▲No appointment is required.
▲Mailed applications are not acceptable and will be returned.
▲Mail back service is available (make sure you read INSTRUCTIONS FOR APPLICATION MAIL SERVICE) .
Ⅲ.Processing Time
1.The regular processing time is 4 working days.
2.Express service: 2-3 working days processing, $20 will be charged per visa.
3.Same day rush service: additional fee of $30 for 1 working day processing (applications presented before 12:30pm may be picked up between 2:30pm-3:00pm on the same day).
Ⅳ.Visa fees
1.Please pay by Visa, MasterCard, Money Order, Cashier's Check, Company Check or Cash. Personal checks are not acceptable.
2.Please make the check or money order payable to the Chinese Embassy.
3.Fee:$130 for American, and $30 for Citizens of other countries.
Ⅴ.Additional Information
1.If the visa application form is not filled out completely, correctly and legibly, this can cause a delay in processing or refusal of the requested visa.
2.D visa is valid for one entry,six months. The holder of a D visa shall go through residential formalities in the local public security department within thirty days of entry into China.
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Or, a residency permit can be issued at the Public Security Office as I mentioned above...
On the residency permit, I know exactly what I am talking about. My fiancee and I have spent a great deal of time researching this, including talking to the Chinese Embassy and the Public Security Office.
What I am still confused about is the Z visa. Get it before I come, can I get it after I get there...I have written again to the Embassy. When I get their answer, I will post it for everyone... |
You are most definitely ineligible for permanent residence. Once you apply for permanent residence and your application approved (which takes about one year), you are issued a "D" visa which is converted into a Chinese green card within 30 days of arrival.
There are several distinct categories under which permanent residence may be granted. You meet none of them. To qualify as the spouse of a Chinese citizen or a Chinese permanent resident, you need to be married for at least 5 years, have lived continuously in China for 5 years subsequent to marriage and immediately prior to applying for permanent residency, have a "stable" residence (i.e. own your own home), have a "stable" job (i.e. permanent staff in a Chinese company), pass a background investigation and provide proof of no criminal convictions in your home country. You also need the common sense that God gave a cat.
You're not qualified. |
It is so nice to see someone that is so sure of them self and so damn wrong at the same time. While I may or may not be able to get a D visa, I have a friend in Chengdu that has a D visa. He is American. He is married to a Chinese citizen. He is retired, as in not working at all. He has been in China for two years and he received his D visa while in the states before moving to China. I just spoke with him two days ago and I asked him how he got it. He told me that he requested it, sent a letter with his visa application stating that he was moving to China permanently, listed the assets he was transferring (less than $500,000), provided a copy of his marriage book, a copy of the approved residency permit from the local PSB, a copy of his mortgage contract for their home in Chengdu where he would be living and one week later he had a D visa. stamped in his passport.
My other friend that has a D visa has been living in China for 7 years now. He is also retired, but works part-time as an auditor for Intel in Chengdu. According to him, Intel did the magic to get him the D visa.He is married to a Chinese citizen, and owns a home. He has had his D visa for one year now.
Whether or not China is phasing out the D visa is a different issue. So, it may not even be around when I apply and thats OK, too....
The temporary approval to live in China for up to a year is a locally issued extension and waiver to the L/Z visa visit time limitations...It is also known as a residency permit since if you are in one place for more than a visit, then you must be a resident! Everyone here refers to this as a residency permit.
The one thing you can count on about China is that as soon as you think you are dead right...you're obviously wrong! Anyone that is/was married is very well versed in this concept! |
You're either honesty impaired or have intellectual challenges.
There is no "D" visa that allows you to live in China. They either have a permanent residence ID card or they have a common run-of-the-mill visa.
If you have an "L" or an "F" visa, you are not considered a resident and you do not have a residence permit. If you have a "Z" or an "X" visa, you have a residence permit. Being married gives you an up to one-year "L" visa. It is not a residence permit and does not entitle you to work. Only those with mental impairments would refer to that as a residence permit. A residence permit is clearly marked by the Chinese government as being a residence permit and a visa is clearly marked as a visa.
Your friend who claims to have lived in China for 7 years and has a "D" visa is a liar. The "D" visa prior to the 2004 law on permanent residence was issued exclusively -- and even then rarely -- only to select overseas Chinese who returned to China to accompany immediate relatives. Subsequent to 2004, the "D" visa was totally eliminated but for those who were approved for permanent residence while outside of China. It works exclusively in the same way a "Z" visa works: you use it to enter China and within 30 days you either convert it to a permanent residence ID card or you are forced out of China.
Let's face it, you don't keep good company. Your other friend in Chengdu is a liar. As the current regulations (post 2004) clearly indicate and are enforced, a "D" visa is issued only after applying for permanent residency. The application period is a minimum 6 months and so far the fastest approval has been the CEO of Siemens at 11 and 1/2 months.
The other interesting thing is that there are no local variations on permanent residency. All applications are either approved or rejected exclusively by the Public Security Ministry in Beijing. Local or provincial Public Security Bureaus or Departments have no say whatsoever in the outcome of the process.
You see, some of us know about this because we have been through this and "won." Others, like you, are in a daze because ... well, maybe ... because you're not very bright? |
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