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Clear the Air
Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 21
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: all this talk |
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Let me break it down for y'all.
gregd75, you're too positive.
TheLongWayHome, you're too negative.
Solution: me.
P.S. TheLongWayHome, your postings are long. Gregd75, your posting are waayyy too long. I come on here to read for a few minutes. I don't have the time or interest to read through a long, detailed post. Keep it clean, no blows below the belt. 1 more round... |
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:02 am Post subject: |
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I'll keep this one short...
I am way too positive because I love Mexico, I love where I live, the people in my community, the students at my school, the teachers that come to work here, the weather, the lifestyle.
I just love it... so why shouldn't I be positive?
Language school are not perfect, as I have said all along. Just research and decide what you want from your experince and then go out and get it! be it at a University, a prepa or a language school.
And come and enjoy the amazing culture and life that can be found here in Mexico. It's worth every moment of the experience, if you ask me! |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
And come and enjoy the amazing culture and life that can be found here in Mexico. It's worth every moment of the experience, if you ask me! |
Come on vacation to do that.
If you're working split shifts teaching kids, teenagers, adults AND working Saturdays you won't have the time, energy or money to 'enjoy the amazing culture' as most language school ads would have you believe. I know I didn't. |
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Of course, working at a language school may give you plenty of opportunities to meet people- through the school and your students; kids, teenagers and adults together.
Split shifts mean you may be tired, but you could have accomodation paid for and no need to travel far to get to your classes. A vacation would cost a lot more money and not give you the reward of seeing your students develop as well as feeling personal achievement too.
The position would be what you make of it - or not in some peoples cases |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
Split shifts mean you may be tired, but you could have accomodation paid for and no need to travel far to get to your classes. |
That wouldn't make up for it.
Split-shifts are horrible, especially for newbie teachers (after the novelty wears off). New teachers need a lot more time to prepare. Spending Sunday, your only day off, preparing is not fun. Preparing in the evening after your last class at 9pm is even less fun. Preparing in between classes isn't that much fun either. It's good experience but you won't see any of the amazing culture and you won't learn much Spanish either. At least not for the first 6 months or so.
Greg, your relentless optimism is great but I think it obscures the reality of working in a language school. |
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:47 am Post subject: |
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TLWH... Another example of your negativity towards language schools. Teachers at my school recycle their lesson plans. They teach the same course in the morning, the evening and again on Saturday. One lesson plan for three classes (different students) - to cut down on planning time and helped by teachers guides.
TLWH your continued negativity towards language school demands that someone else be positive, because it's just not as bad as you make it out to be. My positivity doesn't obscure the reality... look back at my posts and I have talked about the pro's and con's... still waiting to hear your balanced postings concerning university positions that you claim are so good.
We all know you had bad experiences - 5 times over (what rotten luck) but that doesn't mean that all are the same. Some are better than others, however hard you may find that to be. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
TLWH... Another example of your negativity towards language schools. Teachers at my school recycle their lesson plans. They teach the same course in the morning, the evening and again on Saturday. One lesson plan for three classes (different students) - to cut down on planning time and helped by teachers guides. |
That's great. I'm sure it will help improve the image of these places.
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TLWH your continued negativity towards language school demands that someone else be positive, because it's just not as bad as you make it out to be. My positivity doesn't obscure the reality... look back at my posts and I have talked about the pro's and con's... still waiting to hear your balanced postings concerning university positions that you claim are so good. |
The fact is, you just don't see that many posts, apart from yours, and from teachers about how great working in x language school is.
The way these places are advertised to potential teachers is very misleading. They're touted as some kind of working holiday/cultural/language learning/see the world etc. experience which is clearly something they are not, in Mexico at least.
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We all know you had bad experiences - 5 times over (what rotten luck) but that doesn't mean that all are the same. |
Yes, I'm sure number 6 will be different. |
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is, you just don't see that many posts, apart from yours, and from teachers about how great working in x language school is.
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True point. Not many posts are positive about language schools.
I don't see many posts that are positive about SEP positions, Universities, Prepas, Bi-lingual schools either, come to think of it. So, lets give language schools a break, eh?
Luckily, I was a teacher at my school before I bought it. Maybe this is one reason my approach is different?? Leadership by example...
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Yes, I'm sure number 6 will be different. |
A piece of advice TLWH.... don't bother to work at language school number 6. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
Luckily, I was a teacher at my school before I bought it. Maybe this is one reason my approach is different?? Leadership by example... |
That's great.
So was the owner of language school number 3. I was the third teacher to join after it opened. He'd been a teacher and knew how bad it was so he wanted to treat his teachers well. He promised a lot but delivered nothing, and it just got worse and worse - by far the place with the most illegalities I've worked in. He was eventually sued by a teacher and had to pay her off.
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A piece of advice TLWH.... don't bother to work at language school number 6. |
Quite. Unless it's yours Greg, it probably won't be worth it. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
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The fact is, you just don't see that many posts, apart from yours, and from teachers about how great working in x language school is.
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True point. Not many posts are positive about language schools.
I don't see many posts that are positive about SEP positions, Universities, Prepas, Bi-lingual schools either, come to think of it. So, lets give language schools a break, eh?
Luckily, I was a teacher at my school before I bought it. Maybe this is one reason my approach is different?? Leadership by example...
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Yes, I'm sure number 6 will be different. |
A piece of advice TLWH.... don't bother to work at language school number 6. |
Speaking of leadership by example...
Do you do everything by the book?
Just wondering... 
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely leadership by example!
I will not be drawn into the details of what I do in my business. I will say, however, that what I do is legitimate. I am sure that this will cause you to post countless more posts, but I will NOT be drawn into this discussion in this thread.
I have NEVER said that I only hire native speakers Prof.Gringo...
BUT lets clear this up- my language school doesnt only teach English. Our coordinators, promotors, cleaners, guides and Spanish teachers are all Mexican.
BUT I will not be put onto the defence here. I am just saying that newly qualified, new entrants into the world of EFL could do a lot worse than working at a language school.
Give us all a break, and try to post something positive and constructive, please? |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Give us all a break, and try to post something positive and constructive, please? |
I will.
Congratulations Greg on achieving the position you have, as an immigrant. I think a lot of people should worry less about what a language school can do for them... not even what they can do for a language school, but rather, what they can do for themselves. Not sure about the long Saturday hours, though...  |
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Clear the Air
Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Gregd75 & TheLongWayHome,
You two should get married. You sound like my wife and me. Yin and yang. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:24 am Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
Absolutely leadership by example!
I will not be drawn into the details of what I do in my business. I will say, however, that what I do is legitimate. I am sure that this will cause you to post countless more posts, but I will NOT be drawn into this discussion in this thread.
I have NEVER said that I only hire native speakers Prof.Gringo...
BUT lets clear this up- my language school doesnt only teach English. Our coordinators, promotors, cleaners, guides and Spanish teachers are all Mexican.
BUT I will not be put onto the defence here. I am just saying that newly qualified, new entrants into the world of EFL could do a lot worse than working at a language school.
Give us all a break, and try to post something positive and constructive, please? |
This is usually the response you get when you research a language school a little further than the job ad and the shiny website. |
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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I am just sick and tired of TLWH and his continual negativity on this forum. I have read too many of his posts in the past and have decided that its time something is done about it.
He doesn't have a monopoly in the forum but he acts like he knows it all. Has been there, seen it and done it.
He only ever complains and provides witty remarks, such as the previous posting.
I want to see something constructive from the guy.
What does he suggest newly qualified EFL teachers do if he so clearly advises them to stay away from language schools? Where does he suggest they go? What useful information will he provide?
I wait with baited breath. Most likely he'll criticise my post again. |
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