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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear veiledsentiment,
"Flipper" - a derogatory term for Filipino.
Regards,
John
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah... lovely... Rolling Eyes

Especially offensive to such an overwhelmingly kind, professional, hard-working group of expats.

VS
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desultude



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear veiledsentiment,
"Flipper" - a derogatory term for Filipino.
Regards,
John


Holy Crap! Anyone would say that? I am shocked and dismayed. But we may have real candidate for the Kingdom. Long live his career- in the Kingdom.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(By the way, I found the humanity of the people from the subcontinent working in the Kingdom to far exceed what one should expect from quasi slave labor).


I agree. In addition to the fact that they are often rather better educated than your typical arrogant 'Westerner'.

No doubt the author is one of those folks who believe there should be seperate lines for whites (sorry, "Westerners'), in airports, banks et al. Would have been right at home in RSA circa 1980.
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heavie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Benghalis or Flippers Reply with quote

Thank you ladies, one must be politically correct and racially sensitive in the Kingdom of Humanity. Basic human rights and civil liberties are core fundamentals of the great kingdom.
It's true the immigrants are the only decent thing in the country.
Reality ladies, reality, the way it is, not the way it should be. Lets deal with non-fiction writing here for the benefit of these poor souls who are about to undergo " a very unique experience, different fom anything you can experience anywhere else in the world" to paraphrase one poster on this thread or in my language " a sh*thole".
Returning to the original theme of this thread, there is some amount of wasta required to tranfer business visas to igamas and this should not be expected as the norm. If you have a business visa, plan for dealing with life in saudi on a business visa and do not expect to have an igama in 2-3 months, but as some posters have said, it is possible.
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a busyness bs visa and remember waiting in the line at one of these money places where all the labour folk also go. It was really hot despite the fact that the air conditioner was going full tilt, probably cause the line went out the front door onto the street and the place was packed.

After waiting a couple of minutes in a line that was moving very slowly and looked like it would take two hours to get to the teller, the bank security guard approached me and signaled me to follow him. Well I thought that I had done or worn something wrong when I suddenly realized that he was moving me right to the front of the line asking the person at the window about to do his exchange to move back so that I could be next.

Well this put me on the spot and as soon as the guard left I felt an obligation to apologies to this person (in English) and he returned with a simple "no problem" reply. As I scanned the faces of the others I had just passed in line I noticed no expression at all and everything seemed quite normal to them.

My little bank experience.

Grendal
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heavie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: "Flipper" - a derogatory term for Filipino. Reply with quote

I also call Americans yanks, British Brits and Irish Paddies. Get a life all of you, and also only the person who uses the term can tell you whether its meant in a derogatory tone or not, its not defined as derogatory, which I wont.
PC is just SO last year.
It's not always black and white "OOPs" there I go again. Black!!!, thanks guys I'll get help.
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you want to you can use all these names to refer to nationalities but tone of voice or not you are still being insensitive. Does being in Saudi mean that we have to forget about respect and dignity just because all the worker folk are being treated disrespectfully and in an undignified fashion? I guess if you grew up in Detroit, East LA or Harlem you can say certain things to another fellow homie that might not be construed as racist because they understand the context it is being used in.

We are not home boys here and as such would like to refrain from such vernacular. My eyes are wide open and I have been smelling the coffee all my life and I know a cop-out excuse when I see one.
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I also call Americans yanks, British Brits and Irish Paddies. Get a life all of you, and also only the person who uses the term can tell you whether its meant in a derogatory tone or not, its not defined as derogatory, which I wont.


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Grendal
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Linda467



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Visas / Bank account issues Reply with quote

Hi, just joined in so I guess I�m a rookie and happy to chat with you all as I�ve been reading some very useful comments and suggestions on KSA.

I am also going with the ISM-EDEX group to KAU, Jeddah and even though it is my first time working there I was posted in the ME for two years some 20 over years.

I was told we could get our money transfered to our own bank account, if by Swift you only need an IBAN (International Bank Account Number) cheap, easy and quick and can even negotiate a smaller commision with your own bank locally. I am going to do it with SR �cause they fluctuate a lot less than the US $. A sudden change can cost you dearly, just get out your calculator and do the maths !
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

linda467

The Saudi Riyal is pegged to the US dollar at a constant 3.75 SAR to $1.

you don't need to send in riyals they'll probably change it ti US dollars anywho.

Grendal
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Linda467



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Exchange rates Reply with quote

I�ve already checked with my local bank (actually a Savings and Loan) but pretty large and with offices overseas and I can do it this way.

As far as I�m concerned I will rather have SR into Euros - I�m on the Eurozone) than US $ - sorry guys for as much as I like you the money goes up and down so much on a daily basis it scares the heck out of me Sad
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was told we could get our money transfered to our own bank account, if by Swift you only need an IBAN (International Bank Account Number)


If (and that's a BIG if) you have an iqama. If you do not have an iqama, you cannot send the money home. You will have to find someone with an iqama to do it for you. It doesn't sound like a big problem to you now, but trust me, it can be huge when you get there.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Exchange rates Reply with quote

Linda467 wrote:
As far as I�m concerned I will rather have SR into Euros - I�m on the Eurozone) than US $ - sorry guys for as much as I like you the money goes up and down so much on a daily basis it scares the heck out of me Sad

Yes... but... you are not protecting yourself at all...

again - the Saudi Riyal is pegged to the US$.

You have two choices - assuming that you will have a proper visa and able to have a bank account and transfer money - you can immediately change your pay into Euros (gambling that the $ continues to go down) - or change it into $ and gamble that the $ goes up.

Transferring Saudi Riyals would not be a good choice... and I suspect that the bank might be flummoxed that you even wanted to. Laughing

VS
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rigel



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mia Xanthi wrote:


If (and that's a BIG if) you have an iqama. If you do not have an iqama, you cannot send the money home. You will have to find someone with an iqama to do it for you. It doesn't sound like a big problem to you now, but trust me, it can be huge when you get there.



Perhaps I could get my agent, someone who is pushing me hard to sign, to drive out to my school every payday and transfer my salary home for me. Think he'd do it? This is a guy who won't even send me a copy of a contract so I can use it to get a simple KSA business visa in Bangkok, though.
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desultude



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: Benghalis or Flippers Reply with quote

heavie wrote:
Thank you ladies, one must be politically correct and racially sensitive in the Kingdom of Humanity. Basic human rights and civil liberties are core fundamentals of the great kingdom.
It's true the immigrants are the only decent thing in the country.
Reality ladies, reality, the way it is, not the way it should be. Lets deal with non-fiction writing here for the benefit of these poor souls who are about to undergo " a very unique experience, different fom anything you can experience anywhere else in the world" to paraphrase one poster on this thread or in my language " a sh*thole".
Returning to the original theme of this thread, there is some amount of wasta required to tranfer business visas to igamas and this should not be expected as the norm. If you have a business visa, plan for dealing with life in saudi on a business visa and do not expect to have an igama in 2-3 months, but as some posters have said, it is possible.


Yes, and knee-jerk anti-PC racism is soooooo 1990's. Hopefully respect will come to be soooo 21st century. Reactionary anger went out with the Bush's.
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