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Seeker786
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 12
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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One more thing, I have heard MUCH worse stories about teaching Male Saudi students. Young Saudi women are generally respectful and curious about foreign teachers. I think us women have it easy on ONE thing at least in the kingdom  |
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NewInTownTEFLer
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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IMHO, it's not easy being a young person/ teenager these days.. and in KSA, unimaginable!!!..
being young and restless..rebellious.. we have all been there, done that..
students are much younger and we should give them a chance ..in learning (English)as well as in life skills..
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| When you ask expat women about their main day to day gripe in Saudi ARabia, most of them don't mention the dress code, or even the driving ban, but the prayer time closures. It can really make it difficult to plan shopping trips, going to a restaurant etc. If you're late by just five minutes, it can throw your whole day out of sync. |
And yet another reason to work elsewhere in the Gulf rather than Saudi. No dress code, I always had a car, and prayer times affect only the mosques... not the shops. If it weren't for the call to prayer, I would barely have known it was happening. The only time it had an effect on my classes was during Ramadhan. The boys were given 15 minutes to go pray if one happened to have scheduled classes at prayer times, but the women mostly preferred to pray at home. During the rest of the year, they had to wait for breaks between classes to go and pray.
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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It's always prayer time when you want to go shopping. I have to drive a half hour to the nearest supermarket. Then I found out they closed a full hour before sundown prayer during Ramadan. I should have known better, after four years in Jeddah in the early '90s. Furthermore, the prayer time shifts by a couple of minutes every day.
I have really nice and attentive male students, aside from a few sleepyheads, and that's because where I work, losers actually flunk out early. It makes a big difference. |
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NewInTownTEFLer
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Dear Sheik
Did your students/ coleagues ever ask you to join the prayers?
My personal opinion, that would be a good idea to sit, close your eyes, and practice breathing exercie..
IN Thailand, I was always invited to attend Buddhist ceremonies ( didnt understand a word), and Mass if thats a Christain college..and I always joined in to show respect, knowing mutually that they couldnt convert me into anything.. |
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Linda467
Joined: 01 Sep 2009 Posts: 138 Location: A Secret
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Seeker,
Thanks very much for the info on the timetables, very useful. Any idea where I can get hold of a timetable so I can plan around it? I�m the eternal girlscout .... prepared, prepared, prepared
Highly appreciated
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Chthon
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 54
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| NewInTownTEFLer wrote: |
Dear Sheik
Did your students/ coleagues ever ask you to join the prayers?
My personal opinion, that would be a good idea to sit, close your eyes, and practice breathing exercie..
IN Thailand, I was always invited to attend Buddhist ceremonies ( didnt understand a word), and Mass if thats a Christain college..and I always joined in to show respect, knowing mutually that they couldnt convert me into anything.. |
I'm not Sheikh, but allow me to pompously answer on his behalf: no. The religious culture here is not an inclusive one. I think a few teachers here have been told they are going to hell, and many students will try to formally convert you, but unless you're already Muslim then praying with the students will probably not be allowed. |
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NewInTownTEFLer
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Did that cvonvo take place inside class ? How did you respond when your students told you " you are going to Hell"? Do share ....all of us might learn a good response .. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Chthon wrote: |
| I think a few teachers here have been told they are going to hell, and many students will try to formally convert you, but unless you're already Muslim then praying with the students will probably not be allowed. |
Well, if you declare war against GOD in front of your students, then there is a possibility that one of your students (the mutawaa one) will tell you that you will go to hell (to be send to the 7th gound floor of hell!).
I do not think that students in the Magic Kingdom will try to formally to convert you.
If you are a Muslim, then praying with students is allowed. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| NewInTownTEFLer wrote: |
| Did that cvonvo take place inside class ? How did you respond when your students told you " you are going to Hell"? Do share ....all of us might learn a good response .. |
I used to tell them that I've "been to Ha'il" and thought it a nice place.
NCTBA
P.s.- What my students never, ever got...I had already arrived! |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Chthon is right.
Islamic prayers consist of very precisely timed genuflections etc, and are preceeded by ritual ablutions. So it's not possible - nor would, I think, most Muslims consider it desirable - for a non-Muslim to 'join in'.
You may well be given religious literature, and possibly asked to visit a mosque (though this last is not common), but you won't be asked to participate in prayers. |
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Chthon
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 54
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I converted to Islam myself long before setting foot in the Middle East, so the conversion thing isn't mine. I know of one teacher who was reminded more than once that he would be going to hell by students at a military school. A current coworker of mine, a veteran if the region, has also had students approach him with religious pamphlets and the like at a few of the schools in which he has taught.
I don't think it's really a big deal, but some people may find it amusing or annoying depending on how they take it. |
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cassava
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 175
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| NewInTownTEFLer wrote: |
| Did that cvonvo take place inside class ? How did you respond when your students told you " you are going to Hell"? Do share ....all of us might learn a good response .. |
I used to tell them that I've "been to Ha'il" and thought it a nice place.
NCTBA
P.s.- What my students never, ever got...I had already arrived! |
By the way, NCTBA, a minor phonological correction is of some relevance here. The word "Ha'il" does not rhyme with "Jubail", as many posters seem to think. Therefore , it cannot rhyme with the English word "hell". In fact, the correct pronunciation of "Ha'il" sounds like "Haheel".
The apostrophe in "Ha'il" indicates that a "y" is missing. The former spelling, "Hayil", or even "Hayel", can be seen in some of the older documents about the region. These days, many people usually write the word without the apostrophe, thus causing some confusion. |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The word "Ha'il" does not rhyme with "Jubail" |
Oh, but it is so much more fun that way!  |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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...and, my evil brood always seemed to get a kick out of it...
NCTBA
P.s.- It is obvious that you are not well-aquainted with the Deep South...phonologically. "Hell" is certainly pronounced "Hey-el"...as in "Hay-el No!"  |
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