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Stephen Jones
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In the West, no.
In Saudi Arabia, yes.
Incarceration is one thing; torture is another. |
Do you have any evidence the guy is being tortured? Thought not.
And I have more sympathy for somebody caught drunk driving in the West than I do in KSA. The legal penalties are clearer in KSA and all you have to do to avoid them is call for a taxi. |
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Middle East Beast
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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In the West, no.
In Saudi Arabia, yes.
Incarceration is one thing; torture is another. |
Do you have any evidence the guy is being tortured? Thought not.
And I have more sympathy for somebody caught drunk driving in the West than I do in KSA. The legal penalties are clearer in KSA and all you have to do to avoid them is call for a taxi. |
We're talking about a country that beheads people in public.
I can take a taxi here in the states as well.
Specifically, how are the penalties in the KSA "clearer?" |
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veiledsentiments
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I'm with SJ on this one...
Are there any expats living in Saudi that are not aware that there is a prohibition on alcohol? Everyone knows that the penalty for drunk driving or drunkenness in public are higher in the Gulf than in the US, and Saudi is worst of all. So... he was an idiot and a fool and he is paying the price. He'll get no sympathy from me.
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rigel
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| It's easy to see why the Saudis got so ticked off at the western powers when they arrived during the 90-91 shenanigans. I can see those Saudi guys walking/driving by the US bases and staring at the women soldiers dressed in their camo outfits, driving vehicles, et al. Being there and watching the looks on Saudi faces when western male soldiers saluted higher-ranking female soldiers would have been the bomb. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Then, you woulda got a hoot driving around the Riyadh AB perimeter road watching saudi military spaced out about 6 or so meters lining the road under the sweltering August heat.
Their purpose? They were there performing guard functions for yet another State visit of then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright...an American Jewish WOMAN.
Yup, that's what they were ordered to do. 
NCTBA
P.s.- Oh! They were a happy-looking bunch as well! |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| We're talking about a country that beheads people in public. |
As opposed to one that electrocutes them in front of closed-circuit television. |
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rigel
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Then, you woulda got a hoot driving around the Riyadh AB perimeter road watching saudi military spaced out about 6 or so meters lining the road under the sweltering August heat.
Their purpose? They were there performing guard functions for yet another State visit of then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright...an American Jewish WOMAN.
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I get a hoot from that just thinking about it. Were they ordered to be happy? |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Then, you woulda got a hoot driving around the Riyadh AB perimeter road watching saudi military spaced out about 6 or so meters lining the road under the sweltering August heat.
Their purpose? They were there performing guard functions for yet another State visit of then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright...an American Jewish WOMAN.
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I get a hoot from that just thinking about it. Were they ordered to be happy? |
Aren't ALL saudis?
NCTBA |
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Linda467
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I wish I could have been there to and take photos Rigel when the bases were still there, your comments right on the spot but then again I did travel around that area and gave and showed respect and got the same back, even as a woman.
By the way they do respect gutsy ladies  |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| They were there performing guard functions for yet another State visit of then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright...an American Jewish WOMAN. |
I'm sure the Saudis, like all of us, are in awe of a nation which, unlike many Muslim and/or non 'Western" nations, has never had a female head of state.[/list] |
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johnslat
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Dear Cleo,
Nor, for that matter, a Jewish one. However, we do now have a president with African ancestry, so shway, shway, some progress is being made.
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desultude
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Then, you woulda got a hoot driving around the Riyadh AB perimeter road watching saudi military spaced out about 6 or so meters lining the road under the sweltering August heat.
Their purpose? They were there performing guard functions for yet another State visit of then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright...an American Jewish WOMAN.
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I get a hoot from that just thinking about it. Were they ordered to be happy? |
Aren't ALL saudis?
NCTBA |
My WESTERN administrator had a come to issa meeting with one of my colleagues to convince her to be happy. She also got emails and direct orders from her to change her attitude and be happier. |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| However, we do now have a president with African ancestry |
Actually all your presidents have had fairly recent African ancestry, quips about Neanderthals notwithstanding. |
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Mia Xanthi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| a come to issa meeting |
Oh, the memories! |
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desultude
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| a come to issa meeting |
Oh, the memories! |
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