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| Which of the two degree/certificate holders with experience qualify to teach in Taiwan public schools? |
| 1. A CELTA/TESOL certificate/diploma holder with 6 + years experience teaching L2 learners over overseas. |
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14% |
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| 2. A state side certified teacher with 6+ years experience teaching L1 learners state side or in the country that certified them. |
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57% |
[ 4 ] |
| 3. Both CELTA/TESOL certificate/diploma and state certified holders. |
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28% |
[ 2 ] |
| 4. Neither |
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0% |
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zipper
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Not to mention that some people like Rooster and myself have spent many years learning languages ourselves. I hope that people who learn languages would have an idea of what works and what does not. |
I am sorry, but I can't teach kids English the same way that I learn Mandarin. I am self motivated and study on my own, and then I try to apply what I have learned outside of my house when I interact with vendors and friends. Kids are usually not self motivated. But I do try different methods, and use measurements such as oral and written exams to measure what they have learned under my instruction. If there is a problem, then I address it by changing my approaches. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I am sorry, but I can't teach kids English the same way that I learn Mandarin. I am self motivated and study on my own, and then I try to apply what I have learned outside of my house when I interact with vendors and friends. |
Actually you have just told me how you can get your students to learn without even knowing it.
I know that it does not always work but look for ways to self motivate your students. I know that is not always possible but I do know one school that has a very good system and their games, spelling bees, and poo poos on the board for no listening do indeed cause many students to be interested and self motivated.
The only missing part is applying it outside of school. |
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zipper
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
| Actually you have just told me how you can get your students to learn without even knowing it. |
Yes, you could say that it is possible to promote natural and autonomous learning with EFL youngsters. But we can only do so much within a classroom context. I would say that ESL young learners may be more intrinsically motivated to learn L2 just out of a desire to make friends and to communicate their needs in school and in the community they live in.
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| I know that it does not always work but look for ways to self motivate your students. I know that is not always possible but I do know one school that has a very good system and their games, spelling bees, and poo poos on the board for no listening do indeed cause many students to be interested and self motivated. |
Yes, competition and rewards can motivate them, and I have done it that way for over 15 years, but I am not sure if you can call it self motivation. Group competition and rewards sound like a kind of extrinsic motivation, which is derived from external incentives (e.g., win games and get rewards; and older learners may need to obtain a certificate, need a high proficiency score, want higher pay, etc). Do you learn Chinese this way? My motivation is more intrinsic, which reflects an urge to engage in a learning activity for its own sake or for a personal gain and benefit. I think that you are confusing the two kinds of motivation.
Furthermore, I said explicitly that I don't teach children the same way that I learn Mandarin. I thought that I made this point very clear.
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| The only missing part is applying it outside of school. |
Yes, this has always been an issue for EFL teachers. |
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