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Otterman Ollie



Joined: 23 Feb 2004
Posts: 1067
Location: South Western Turkey

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:53 am    Post subject: Trawled the forum Reply with quote

Hi FGT

had a look around nothing that relates to the place I'm thinking of ,just wanted some back ground stuff ,like the package if there is one ,holidays ,working hours, perks ,benefits whatever you know the REALLY important stuff . As you have the time served here I thought you had more chance of finding this stuff out . Is it true for example that you have to get your own books ? Thats what I have overheard . Is summer school mandatory without extra pay ,again another rumour I would like confirmed or denied . There are a lot more but that will do for starteres.
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FGT



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Posts: 762
Location: Turkey

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here goes. I work at The English Academy, that's the only place about which I can speak with any authority.

Teachers are paid at an hourly rate for time spent in the classroom only.
The minimum rate in September was 15 mill. per hour.
Two weeks paid holiday per year.
Free accommodation (teachers pay utilities) in shared flats; or teachers live out and are paid a housing allowance (currently 200 mill p.m.)
There is a guaranteed minimum pay per month equivalent to (min) 15 hours teaching a week. (So if your hours are low, you still get x)
I have an expensive lifestyle but can still save about 500 mill. most months.
Two consecutive days off a week, usually Wednesday/Thursday or Saturday/Sunday.
A lot of evening work finishing at 9pm.
Summer school as such doesn't exist, the school functions throughout the year. There is/are summer camp(s) for which teachers are recruited seperately.
We don't have to buy books. The school has an extensive library of course books and other materials. Some of these were becoming dog-eared so now teachers sign for receipt of their own (new) copy and, if, at the end of the year, the copy is lost or damaged, the teacher has to replace it.
This is not a holiday camp. Teachers probably average 25 hours per week.
Standards are high, students regularly (approx 3 monthly) fill out questionnaires relating to the school and the teacher.
Teacher development workshops, observations etc are common.
If you want to work in a professional language school in Izmir there is (currently) no competition.
Most of the teachers have had 5 years or more experience, all are native speakers and qualified. The support is great. Good atmosphere to work in.
Most teachers choose to stay on, some ?permanently. That says a lot.
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Otterman Ollie



Joined: 23 Feb 2004
Posts: 1067
Location: South Western Turkey

PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:57 am    Post subject: Your response . Reply with quote

Thanks FGT, at least ı got a response ,the place sounds very business like and from what experience I have had from other similar establishments there is not a lot of competition around . Not sure I like the idea of students reporting on me on a regular basis ,smacks of big brother to me ,how do you deal with that ,imagine after a night out you are not at your best the next day ,not that I'm suggesting you frequent drinking houses during your working week , but is it an issue ? I have heard from students from some of the high schools a while back taking an IELTS exam and were supervised by people from (how can I put this delicately) YOUR place and they could smell alcohol quite strongly from said invigilator . Comments !
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FGT



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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Location: Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting that you view students' comments as being like "big brother". We are involved in a service industry and need to check that the "customer" is getting what they pay for. I used to work in management and, if I were a school manager, I would welcome this as a tool so that I could improve the service, according to demand. As a teacher, I appreciate this as both a pat on the back and a kick up the arse, as and when the need arises.

Re your comments about IELTS, I'm curious as to when this took place, I can probably identify the culprit. (I won't name names, just personal curiosity).

I've put my school on record, how about some others?

By the way Otterman, were you fishing for info about Academy or another place? Where do you work? How does it compare? Do tell.
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SweetOne



Joined: 19 Jul 2003
Posts: 109

PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FGT wrote:

How do you know outwardbound is a girl? I could have sworn he was a bloke.
What do you know that we don't?


At the risk of p*ss*ng everybody off: I figured it was of the female persuasion, too, as no man I know would even consider the question of "should I go" "am I being taken advantage of"... They would realize this, immediately (USUALLY) and take action, accordingly. Women, goddess bless us, tend to be caretakers. yes, that is so freakin' sexist, I know. But, as a woman, and a student of human psychology, (go ahead, tell me I got my degree out of a cereal box... I don't care) I have noticed that men just don't take all the time to write down the b.s. that outwardbound posted and ASK FOR GUIDANCE ON SAME. Just my opinion. If I am wrong, I can handle it. I have occassionally been incorrect in my conclusions (or estimations) of others on this board.

As for the workload, schedule, etc.... I would strongly suggest, as the other posters have, that you get out of there immediately. Unless, of course, you are a masochist.
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