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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scot47,

You have a fair sprinkling of Old Etonians up in Scotland too ! Some in quite important "administrative" positions :

Sir James Angus McGrigor (Member of Scottish Parliament, for Argyll and Bute) - isn't that near your neck of the woods?

Alex Fergusson - MSP for Galloway/West Dumfries

Sir William Nimmo-Smith - QC in the Scottish Court

Magnus Linklater - journalist (The Scotsman?)

Tam Dalyell - former Labour MP for Linlithgow......

.....to name a few.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I take it that England didn't get it's independence from the Scots seeing that Cameron is still in charge.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated
The last time I looked (yesterday) the MSP for Argyll and Bute was Michael Russell MA (Edin), And I can assure you that he did not go to Eton
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My humble apologies, Scot47.

Kent-born Mike Russell has been SNP candidate for Argyll and Bute since May 2011.

James Angus McGrigor is the MSP candidate for the Highlands and Islands.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are yet again reminded of P.G Wodehouse's truism that it is 'never difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.'
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated does not seem to know the difference between a 'candidate' and a sitting MP.

Russell was born in Kent but grew up in Scotland and went to school in Ayrshire. He is also streets ahead of the time-servers and Stalinist bureaucrats in the Labour Party..

The Jesuit's quote from the Great Wodehouse is one of my favourites from that writer, who was mercilessly persecuted by London after 1945 for his indiscretions during internment. (He rather unwisely broadcast oiver German Radio at a time when that country was at war wiuh His Majesty)


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Argyll and Bute Council as the Education Authority wanted to close 25 perecent of the schools in the LEA. Russell quite rightly pulled out all the stops to prevent this. He succeeded. He was doing his job as the elected representative of the people of Argyll and Bute.

Tell me Dedicated what is your interest in this matter? As a paid agent of the British State ? A lickspittle of the Imperialist s, your hands dripping with blood ?

What part of the Home Counties do you hail from ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Greenock, Inverclyde,(where I have a house, not social housing) but currently based in London. Sorry to disappoint you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and you vote Labour,while maintaining a position that social housing is somehow inferior. Welcome to New Labour ! I imagine that you get on well with Mandeslon and the rest oif that gang.

And you criticise Russell for represemting the interests of his constituents ? Maybe you agree with Cameron and the ConDems that Trident, Wars in Afghanistan and Libya and all the rest are more important ways to spend money than on education ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Benefits of the Union ? Our young men can go and die in Afghanistan to prop up the imperial delusions of London and their masters in Washington !

London can use the revenues from North Sea Oil to prop up their bankrupt City of London !

Approximately ten per cent of the British Army are foreign nationals. An increasing number are from the Republic of Ireland. The idea that young Scots are forced to go to foreign lands to defend English interests is ludicrous, although it may seem attractive to Scottish nationalists. What are the arguments for Scottish independece, if they exist?
I�m Scottish but if I were an Englishman I�d be campaigning for independence from our friends north of the border.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, scot47, this is becoming personal. I do not vote Labour, and did I ever make any comment about social housing being inferior? No.

You are the one who has been advertising social housing in Scotland to everybody on this board. Social housing is housing that is let at low rents to people on low incomes and on a secure basis to people in housing need. Rents in the social housing sector are kept low through state subsidy (ie. the taxpayer, like myself).

Is social housing really intended for folk who have worked for years abroad and paid no UK tax?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, this discussion appears to have become a little ad hominem. A little too much of playing the man and not the ball, all of which tends to lead to a deal of 'round objects' being ultimately written. I am gratified that the Caledonian fossor (if I'm a 'Jesuit'...etc. Smile enjoyed the quote from Wodehouse and is right to point out the man's post war treatment, which ultimately led to his exile in the 'New World'. 'Round objects', though, reminds me a favourite quote from 'Yes Minister' and Sir Humphrey's written response to Hacker's use of the term at the bottom of one of his permanent under secretary's more opaque and sesquipedalian written submissions. 'Who is Round and to what does he object?'
I wish a happy day, on this, the blessed day of St. Mary Magdelene. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soupman wrote:
scot47 wrote:
When we disentangle ourselves from the Imperial Union, the sky might fall on our heads. Another agrument against it is that Mrs Mountatten-Windsor does not like the idea.

NATO might not let us be members.


I doubt there will be (m)any negatives, but for the sake of discussion I am curious to know the positives of Scottish independence for its population.

So am I. Soupman waits for a reply. So do I. Come on Scotty, enlighten us!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

State subsidies are also paid to those with mortgages ! I do not agree that Social Housing is solely for 'The Deserving Poor'. Housing Associations exist to provide a practical alternative for those who wish to rent rather than to buy.

And in any case I AM one of the Desrving Poor ! Do you imagine that a few years working as an EFL teacher in the Middle East transforms you into a millionaire ?
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