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[Laxmatt]

[tacoeater]

But!!

But, if you KNOW you don't meet the legal requirements to work legally in China, then why would you expend the effort?

Jurisdictions that choose to ignore the law is one thing, but knowing the fact that SAFEA and the Education Ministry REQUIRE two years TEACHING experience, which you don't have, why would you make the attempt to come? Other countries offer less stringent requirements.

What is your plan, for example, when you are issued your work documents and visa, but then when you arrive in China, and go to the local police (PSB) to obtain your required Resident Permit, that the police choose to follow the law and tell you that you will not be issued a resident permit since you do not meet the legal requirements ? What is your plan then? And then they tell you that you have an improper visa and cancel your visa?

It DOES happen and very well could. So, why would you come here, spend the money, make the trip, and so on, but then have such a thing happen?

It's hardly an impossibility.

Your choice I guess.

[SahanRiddhi]

[steve b]

I would like to see Tacoeater provide some proof of the veracity of what he says, preferably a Chinese government site link. Failure to provide would lead to the suggestion that this is yet another scare story.

[choudoufu]

but, but, but, but....

if OP goes through the correct procedure with his school,
the school goes to the FEB and gets a WORK PERMIT issued,
OP takes that WP to the embassy and gits a Z-visa, OP
comes to china, then school goes back to FEB with required
documents to get the FEC issued.......

......is the flunky at the local PSB going to deny a residence
permit to someone with a valid z-visa, a valid SAFEA contract,
and a valid FEC?

how many times has the above happened? did it happen to
you personally, or did you hear of someone who heard of
someone that it happened to? what be the hole story?

regardless of the "law" as us outsiders understand it, the FEB
do has some discretion when applying the rules when granting/
denying work permits.

[chengdude]

[tacoeater]

[Laxmatt]

Ok it comes down to Qingdao Baotou or Taiyuan. Any opinions or advice?

[wiganer]

[Non Sequitur]

Cost an air ticket in at 1.5 - 2m salary and then recalculate the financials.

Also reimbursement often means you have to produce the actual ticket.

If you forgo a trip home in favour of some other destination, you may be refused �reimbursement�.

Qingdao is a nice town and way better than Shenyang in winter although if you are a skier Shenyang may be attractive.

Housing supplied will have different value in different cities but �no housing but with 1000RMB pm contribution� wouldn�t compensate in my view. Others may be able to provide a cash value of housing - v - no housing. Make sure you cost in a few weeks hotel and the upfront deposit into the 'no housing' deal, less of course, the monthly allowance. There is recent discussion on letting agent fees, albeit in Shanghai.

Having joined a few outfits off the plane having job-supplied housing to go to was comforting.


Good to see you have multiple offers.

[Laxmatt]

Thanks a lot for the replies! I'll try to negotiate on the hours in Taiyuan and the housing/ticket in Qingdao to see if I can better the offers.

[keeperofpythons]

Negotiate if you want, but Taiyuan is a MAJOR miss. Go with Qingdao, I fell in love with that place.

[Non Sequitur]

Good luck OP but generally individuals aren't lucky negotiating things like accom. if the school don't offer it first up.

[Non Sequitur]

PS I agree about Qingdao.
Check if the school or your accommodation is near the sea.
I've posted on this elsewhere. In summer that afternoon sea breeze is a blessing and you don't get it further inland.

[Laxmatt]

I've heard nothing but negativity about Taiyuan and the opposite for Qingdao so I think the former will only be as a back up plan. To the above poster, the apartment would be of my choosing and they said they are willing to up the offer to 1500 per month allowance for it.