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Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject:

blackwellben wrote:

Middle East Beast wrote:

Try making sense in your post, dude.

Uh-huh
Well, lessee...
You entered this thread to support LeapingWolf's criticism my reporting 60K for a starting salary from Aramco was woefully low and "uninformed".
But it wasn't, was it? Especially given the lack of direct-hires.

You've claimed elsewhere to have worked for oil companies (not language institutes or directly for universities) that, as salaries go, offer more. I'm asking you to contribute to a thread attempting to answer What salary might i receive in Saudi with your claimed experience.

But you seem content to merely criticize, poorly, or solicit others for figures you give measure, poorly, such as what's "doable", but "barely so" while complaining in another thread about non-specific and relative expression such as "not so bad".
Are you indicating 81k/yr for a job involving courses purposed by oil companies is an acceptable starting salary?
Because you don't seem to know so much about ARAMCO, or rather, have been gone too long to speak to the present.
How about a range, based on your experience?

Now if LeapingWolf could give us a salary range for courses purposed by the military, meaningful responses to this thread's topic might be achieved by the posters contributing to it.

Hmm...where to start.

First, you could at least extend the courtesy of referring to someone by his correct handle. What's your motive there?

Second, the only "oil companies" I've worked for are Khafji Joint Operations and Saudi Petrochemical (not actually an oil company). What's your motive in bringing my posts elsewhere into this thread? Am I your latest target? (I hope so--I like the attention. Very Happy

).

Third, my claimed experience? You casting doubt on my credibility, dude?

Fourth, criticize poorly. I entered this thread confirming IS's post--twice. After you criticized IS for his response, he gave a specific number. I asked you for confirmation that his response was specific enough. Then I asked bulgogiboy for a salary figure--a post that had nothing to do with you, but sought the $$$ specifics you so crave (and, by the by, you did not request of him). I guess you can request specifics, but no one else can...wrong.

If I had recent salary figures to share for KSA, I'd share them, but in this environment of lower salary packages, those figures would be dated. You asked what salary you might receive in KSA, not what you could have received. FGS, check the ads here at Dave's, at tefl.com, or other places and see for yourself what you might get in KSA.

Yep, I think you are targeting me...outstanding...just stop wasting everyone's time and take it to a pm...I'll be waiting...let's rumble there, not here.

MEB Cool

It's Scary!

Joined: 17 Apr 2011
Posts: 823

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject:

blackwellben wrote:

Middle East Beast wrote:

Try making sense in your post, dude.

Uh-huh
Well, lessee...
You entered this thread to support LeapingWolf's criticism my reporting 60K for a starting salary from Aramco was woefully low and "uninformed".
But it wasn't, was it? Especially given the lack of direct-hires.

At the risk of being premature, I must correct some things in your post. My actual tribal name is "Wolf who is Forced to Leap over Stubborn Sheep who Will Not Move". Stupid, sheep! I just make it look fun.

Well, your guess, being around $60,000, I believe, was a bit uninformed. I thought twice about using that word for a while, but decided if you were, in fact, an Englsih teacher, then you could handle it. I believe that I gave a range for an ARAMCO direct hire, that of north of $100,000, but south of $120,000.

Now if LeapingWolf ("Wolf who is Forced to Leap over Stubborn Sheep who Will Not Move") could give us a salary range for courses purposed by the military, meaningful responses to this thread's topic might be achieved by the posters contributing to it.

I don't that that there is a "range" per se. A lot of the value in what military contracts that exist, is in the lodging (in reletaively "nice" compounds, the facilities contained within those compounds, and amenities such as provided transportation that you drive around yourself using their fuel and the such). As far as range is considered, you can go from the bottom of the barrel Vinnell Corp. teaching SANG in Riyadh to BAe teaching reprobates in Dhahran, to SALTS teaching the UNbelievably UNteachable Saudi Air Defense Corps in Jeddah to DynCorp who are teaching helicopter crew-member out in Qassim.
Paychecks? Maybe SAR10-11,000 w/Vinnell to around USD 80,000 with DynCorp.

Many of the military contracts of the 70's90's have dried up.

It's about all I know!

blackwellben

Joined: 06 Nov 2010
Posts: 121
Location: Saudi Arabia

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject:

Middle East Beast wrote:

I've worked for are Khafji Joint Operations and Saudi Petrochemical (not actually an oil company).

Then what are they?

Middle East Beast wrote:

What's your motive in bringing my posts elsewhere into this thread?

Because your experience is relevant to this post.

Middle East Beast wrote:

... you could at least extend the courtesy of referring to someone by his correct handle. What's your motive there?

Says a poster referring to me as "dude" and has insinuated drug usage.

Middle East Beast wrote:

... my claimed experience? You casting doubt on my credibility, dude?

I don't have to. Were you of a credible opinion about Aramco salaries?

Middle East Beast wrote:

If I had recent salary figures to share for KSA, I'd share them, but in this environment of lower salary packages, those figures would be dated.

Dated would be better than incorrectly agreeing my post was "uninformed".

Middle East Beast wrote:

I asked you for confirmation that his response was specific enough.

And I responded any figure (given the topic) would be, and informed you I don't require, nor desire, your kindly confirmation.

Middle East Beast wrote:

FGS, check the ads here at Dave's, at tefl.com, or other places and see for yourself what you might get in KSA.

Uh-huh
Ads for higher paying jobs don't typically disclose that information, that's why this thread exists.
Is that not obvious?

Middle East Beast wrote:

...and take it to a pm...

I wouldn't PM you if you paid me.

blackwellben

Joined: 06 Nov 2010
Posts: 121
Location: Saudi Arabia

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject:

It's Scary! wrote:

I don't that that there is a "range" per se. A lot of the value in what military contracts that exist, is in the lodging (in reletaively "nice" compounds, the facilities contained within those compounds, and amenities such as provided transportation that you drive around yourself using their fuel and the such). As far as range is considered, you can go from the bottom of the barrel Vinnell Corp. teaching SANG in Riyadh to BAe teaching reprobates in Dhahran, to SALTS teaching the UNbelievably UNteachable Saudi Air Defense Corps in Jeddah to DynCorp who are teaching helicopter crew-member out in Qassim.
Paychecks? Maybe SAR10-11,000 w/Vinnell to around USD 80,000 with DynCorp.

Many of the military contracts of the 70's90's have dried up.[/color]

Thanks Wolf who is Forced to Leap over Stubborn Sheep who Will Not Move
36-80K/yr is quite a range!

The OP has gone missing, but my "motive", or whatever, was to address that what one can earn in Saudi Arabia depends on the type of employer-- military, oil, university/uni-prep or institute.
Not engage in the normal pissing contests of "But I made so much more at such-n-such" because "I'm the man".

Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008
Posts: 836
Location: Up a tree

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject:

blackwellben wrote:

I wouldn't PM you if you paid me.

Your loss.

MEB Cool

blackwellben

Joined: 06 Nov 2010
Posts: 121
Location: Saudi Arabia

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject:

Middle East Beast wrote:

blackwellben wrote:

I wouldn't PM you if you paid me.

Your loss.

I'd take your word for that, but identifying understatements isn't your strong suit. Wink

The point is a western teacher with 17 years experience, and served as a director for an EFL program is, because of redundancy, scouting salaries...
Now that ranges for four job descriptions have been related (and related on other threads), I'm curioius as to the OP's next question.
From where I sit...I had responded to the OP and consider posts to you and scary as chatty noise-- except for Wolf who is Forced to Leap over Stubborn Sheep who Will Not Move's last contribution.

Middle East Beast

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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject:

blackwellben wrote:

Middle East Beast wrote:

blackwellben wrote:

I wouldn't PM you if you paid me.

Your loss.

I'd take your word for that, but identifying understatements isn't your strong suit. Wink

Thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the characterization.

Quote:

I try not to characterize posters, but that's just me.

Who said that?

This is the last time I'm responding to you. Somebody has to take the high road and cut this crap out.

Sorry this went on as long as it did, ladies and gentlemen.

MEB Cool

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