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igorG
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| Whatever black or grey money some Chinese teachers may make has, in my opinion, little to do with what the OP is saying. FTs are paid for the face, aren't they? It's ridiculous that any qualifications or experience are officially required, when we often end up directed traditionally. |
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LongShiKong
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| you're income is substantially higher than your Chinese colleagues |
That's a laugh. Don't tell me any more like that -- my sides are already hurting. |
I'm still waiting to hear how the average CT like my Chinese colleagues make anywhere near my income when they're putting in 30+ hrs a week. If anything, it's the foreigners here who have multiple jobs. |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| LongShiKong wrote: |
"...I'm still waiting to hear how the average CT like my Chinese colleagues make anywhere near my income when they're putting in 30+ hrs a week. If anything, it's the foreigners here who have multiple jobs. |
My CT colleagues don't work 30+ hours. Most drive nice automobiles, and so do their spouses. The low-wage teachers are the under-qualified (by western standards) bearers of 3-4 year degrees.
Their spouses also drive nice automobiles.
In my li'l outpost of progress, working outside one's contract is risky. In order to convert rmb, one must provide a letter from one's employer stating that he has gained his income legally. I don't work another job, but my employer won't supply such a letter. |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Miles Smiles wrote: |
In my li'l outpost of progress, working outside one's contract is risky. In order to convert rmb, one must provide a letter from one's employer stating that he has gained his income legally. I don't work another job, but my employer won't supply such a letter. |
Chinese can convert up to $20,000 worth of RMB to USD every year.
Ask a Chinese friend to go with you to the bank.
Your friend only needs his/her government ID.
The bank employees don't care, so it doesn't even need to be a secret. |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:40 am Post subject: |
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This is only my experience. At my uni the younger teachers do teach many classes. If they drive a car, their (older) husband bought it. Many teachers here ride bikes. The senior teachers or professors teach few classes; three or four. I believe they have a nice salary and can work extra on the weekends, but sadly and ironically some of them are not qualified.
I think the big money is in middle and high school positions; not from salary but from side jobs. My student's husband is a high school teacher. (a student at my alleged other job) He works a side job every weekend to save money for a house. We FTs make good fun money, but I don't see myself saving enough money, even with side jobs, to buy a house in a few years.
Once I was with a student when she was approached by a Chinese teacher from another department. He's sweet on her - and she is sweet! - but she acted shocked when I asked if she would date him. She said he is only a teacher; he makes little money.
It seems like everyone knows what I make, but I have no actual knowledge of Chinese teacher's salaries.
I think Chinese teacher's salaries and opportunities to earn side or grey or black money vary widely.
But what do I know?
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Trebek
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: face jobs |
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Yes, Most Chinese English grad students can teach my subject "Oral English for freshman", but I am more entertaining, have more anecdotes about American life, and much more experience as a teacher.
I wouldn't be here if merely thought of as the "White Monkey", that's what Hagwon's want... |
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LongShiKong
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Is it just my assumption or is face more a factor in cosmopolitan Shanghai than elsewhere. I was reading of an ABC (Am.-born Chinese) with an English degree being turned down yet the school wanted to hire her Swedish boyfriend.
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=19989&sid=8213841&con_type=3
Conversely, ABCs and other Asians seem to have no problem in Shaanxi. I know 2 who've been promoted to assistant managers there. |
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SahanRiddhi
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| I have a theory that Asian American teachers are more easily hired when there are already Caucasian teachers on board. Then the school already has a credible claim to employ "foreigners." If the school has only one or two foreign teachers, and they are Asian Americans, it may be a tough sell for the parents and students that they are "real foreigners." |
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igorG
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a common practice on mainland China. |
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wangdaning
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| It's ridiculous that any qualifications or experience are officially required, when we often end up directed traditionally. |
What does this mean? Directed traditionally?
I am again confused.
Is ESL a face job anywhere? It can be but is not always. That seems to be the only answer.
At Chinese language mills it tends to be a face issue. At universities it is less likely to be. The university will get the students who put in that university code on their gaokao (high school exit exam). If they had 1000 foreign teachers the year before it wouldn't matter if they now had zero.
Teaching a language requires that you know the language well and have an ability to impart that language on others. There are many means to this end, but I do not think the face goes beyond facial expressions and the movement of the mouth. It seems some who see the job as just a face issue are attempting to be lazy in their work. As long as I breath in the room I am ok. To me this equates to crappy school and crappy teacher.
I think it is a face job if you let it be, it can be more rewarding if you actually do your job. If your school sucks then change jobs. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| LongShiKong wrote: |
I'm still waiting to hear how the average CT like my Chinese colleagues make anywhere near my income when they're putting in 30+ hrs a week. If anything, it's the foreigners here who have multiple jobs. |
If your Chinese colleagues work for a public school, chances are they make a lot more than you do.
Surprise, surprise, Chinese teachers buy (yes) BUY their public school jobs for hundreds of thousands of dollars. High school jobs are worth the most, by far.
If they work for a private school, chances are they can't afford to buy a job in a pubic school. Qualifications mean little these days. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
| This is only my experience. At my uni the younger teachers do teach many classes. If they drive a car, their (older) husband bought it. Many teachers here ride bikes. |
Because they are new and have to earn their positions.
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| The senior teachers or professors teach few classes; three or four. I believe they have a nice salary and can work extra on the weekends |
This is where the money is; extra classes and also having the power of marking. Most foreign teachers do not have this power because this is where the true money is. It's called "pass me for cash!"
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| but sadly and ironically some of them are not qualified. |
Of course not; they bought the job or got the job given to them through family. |
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LongShiKong
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Chinese teachers buy (yes) BUY their public school jobs for hundreds of thousands of dollars. |
So, I guess the Chinese losers buying up real estate in Vancouver these days just didn't have enough cash to buy a good job here. No wonder the gov't there wants to put a stop to the practice. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
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| It's ridiculous that any qualifications or experience are officially required, when we often end up directed traditionally. |
What does this mean? Directed traditionally?
I am again confused. |
FT gets told what to teach or how to teach, in English, by someone who knows the language little and/or who knows the teaching profession little. The directions sometimes come from varieties of sources too. I hope the poster is less confused now. |
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