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[tefl peasant]

[quote="deadlift"]

[CThomas]

[quote="generalgiap"]

[CThomas]

[quote="tefl peasant"]

[generalgiap]

I suspect someone with your lack of experience would sign a contract where during the first two months you receive only 80% of your salary and receive no benefits. In addition, the company can dismiss you at any time. Most foreigners who understand basic math would prefer to sign a contract where there is no probation period , receive 100% of their salary and the company has to give them one month notice. Every company in Vietnam would like to meet and employ a foreigner like you who would sign such a contract but of course an educated/experienced foreigner would never do it and they don't.
In fact the Vietnamese dont like the contracts but they dont have a choice.

You forgot to include any info on your international school in Danang.
Best to leave it alone since you are living on another planet.

I would stop posting on this site because you are digging yourself a hole thats so deep that sooner or later its going to bury you alive.

This will be my last post concerning this topic, and no disrespect to CThomas but every post has disagreed with your advice.

[CThomas]

[Oh My God]

[CThomas]

[CThomas]

[generalgiap]

[tefl peasant]

[deadlift]

Cthomas, the fact that you agreed to a probationary period similar to the terms described by Giap as being standard for Vietnamese employees does not mean that such practice is standard, common, normal, legally required, or unavoidable for foreign English teachers.

He didn't call you a liar about that, he said, rightly, that if you agreed to work for two months on reduced pay, that was down to your own decision and has nothing to do with labour laws.

[spycatcher reincarnated]

Generalgiap

I would like to make it clear that I am not in HR and haven�t read the labor law for years.

I don�t generally get involved in online arguments, but will still note the following:

Admittedly some of my post could have been better written and more precise, but so what, this is not a lawyers� forum.
Your comments on my posting are nitpicking, your opinions seem, to me at least, to be largely from your own experience, your supposed facts need checking, and you wander off subject.

The up to two months probation and the 80% minimum salary during the probation period are the legal limits and are subject to negotiation between the employee and employer. BTW, just yesterday I interviewed a Vietnamese national who said that if accepted for the position he would require an indefinite term contract on day one. This didn�t surprise or alarm me.

In this labor market it would not normally be sensible to have a new employee, regardless of nationality, on probation for two months. During the probationary period it is normal for the employee to continue the interview process with other prospective employers and find further opportunities. This is why it is normal amongst sensible employers, who insist on 2 months� probation (seems like a contradiction here), to offer to terminate the probationary period as soon as they feel the person is probably the right person for the position.

I understand that these days it is often Vietnamese employees that are insisting on the two months� probationary period so they feel less tied to the company and continue to look for better opportunities during this period. Foreigners could try this as well!

With the Vietnamese labor market as it is I can only imagine that it is employees with low self worth that would accept reduced salary during a probationary period.

Who cares if a labor contract is light blue? BTW when it changed from green to blue I assumed this was probably just a mix up with the word �xanh.� (I can play your game as well). The Vietnamese that I mentioned this to at the time didn�t know what I was talking about as to them it was still �xanh�.

I am too lazy to check, but I believe maternity laws are the same for Vietnamese and foreigners, admittedly foreigners won�t get the money from the national insurance, but they haven�t paid in to it. If I am wrong I would like to know.

Severance pay- Thanks for this information. Please can you tell me when they reversed the changes to severance pay that were applicable from, was it, 1 Jan 2009? The ones that were hotly debated all over the front pages of the national newspapers for months on end.

Please excuse my lack of knowledge on the Vietnamese labor laws and what really happens, as I haven�t been here for 20 years and am not in HR.

Tien Len!!

[CThomas]

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[snollygoster]

What I see is that General Disaster has put a lot of his/her own time and effort into trying to give what information he/she feels may be of assistance. Just because some don't like the information he/she gives, doesn't make it wrong.
To anyone who goes to such lengths to help out, right or wrong, I take off my hat, and I think you should too.
I have also sometimes been castigated on this forum for trying to be helpful, and it makes me wonder why I bother when I get argument and ridicule. I know only what I know, and if it helps someone, I am happy. Lets be grateful for anyone who goes to such lengths to try to help-even if the truth isnt what we want to hear.
After all, the general probably doesn't even know you, so what's in it for him? Keep it up general- I may not always agree with everything, but I do appreciate the effort.