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| Yes, but they're dumber than polyglots. |
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Sashadroogie
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Can we define it as 'not stupid' at least?  |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Only if we can define "stupid". |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Look at Fair and balanced's avatar. See that guy? Remember him? The vacant stare? What more definition of 'stupid' do you want? |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Wait a minute, I got it: "not smart". |
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Isla Guapa
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Look at Fair and balanced's avatar. See that guy? Remember him? The vacant stare? What more definition of 'stupid' do you want? |
Of course, the subject of the avatar (He Whose Name Shall Never Pass My Lips) had no idea that he wasn't smart, did he? Does that make him even less smart? |
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artemisia
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: |
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There's no link between being smart (however that's defined) and not getting, or delaying the onset of dementia. There is some evidence engaging in certain brain activities can do so.
But really, if this is a conversation, I'm having it with myself! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| I dunno about you guys, but I am having a circular monolingual argument with myself. No dementia there. How smart am I?! Hic! |
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johnslat
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It would seem that none of us, not even the bilinguals (or polyglots) among us, are smart enough to define what "smart" means.
And that, in and of itself, disproves the article's assertions.
Case closed
Regards,
John |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, Sash said "not stupid". That don't count? |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dear johntpartee,
"Well, Sash said "not stupid". That don't count?"
If I were smart enough, I could answer that.
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Comrades! Reading a complete volume of Hegel in the morning, while still under the effects of the previous night's indulgences, and discussing dialectical materialism in the afternoon over a few beers, and then arguing about the differences between the German original and the Russian translations all through the night: that is what I define as SMART!
Easy! When you are on the side of Socialism and History... |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course, the subject of the avatar (He Whose Name Shall Never Pass My Lips) had no idea that he wasn't smart, did he? Does that make him even less smart? |
Another outstanding example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, he is. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
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| Of course, the subject of the avatar (He Whose Name Shall Never Pass My Lips) had no idea that he wasn't smart, did he? Does that make him even less smart? |
Another outstanding example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, he is. |
Thanks for making that connection for me, spiral. You must be lots smarter than I am  ! |
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johnslat
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Dear spiral78,
Well, you made me google (all I could think of was Charles Dunning meets Freddy Kruger).
So, to sum up, W.B. Yeats anticipated the Dunning-Kruger effect:
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst. Are full of passionate intensity."
Regards,
John |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear spiral78,
Well, you made me google (all I could think of was Charles Dunning meets Freddy Kruger).
So, to sum up, W.B. Yeats anticipated the Dunning-Kruger effect:
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst. Are full of passionate intensity."
Regards,
John |
Thanks for posting that line from Keats, johnslat. It came to mind while I was reading about the D-K effect, but I was too lazy to look it up. |
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