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scepticalbee
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| And yes, I wanted to leave the forum and no, I haven't received any account cancellation's message, yet. I'm not used to ignore people who are talking to me because it's rude. Maybe too genuinely polite and proud, who knows... |
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robbie_davies
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| And yes, I wanted to leave the forum and no, I haven't received any account cancellation's message, yet. I'm not used to ignore people who are talking to me because it's rude. Maybe too genuinely polite and proud, who knows... |
The basics are it is going to be tough.
Most of my classmates on my MA TESOL course were Chinese, they don't have the same opportunities as I do - even in their own country.
A reputable Chinese university asked our department for teachers to work for them this coming autumn - native speakers only.
The CELTA is a good introduction to TEFL and it is worth it for ideas and how to teach a class with a more communicative teaching methodology.
But don't overestimate the worth of the certificate too much, passport and first degree are still the two major factors in getting the job you want or not getting it. |
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HLJHLJ
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| You have exactly the same requirements when you want to go to some special place on holidays. That means that an Iranian citizen would "genuinely" know where to land and that a visa inquiry to visit the USA could be refused. Same thing for an US citizen who'd like to visit North Korea, for example. A matter of common sense, in fact... |
No, the visa regulations for being able to visit a country are very different from those that allow you to work or study there. The right, or ease of access, to the former absolutely does not confer or even imply the latter, regardless of what you believe to be 'common sense'.
Your question has already been answered, the best place to take the CELTA is the country you plan to teach in. If you don't know or don't want to divulge where you can work, we can't narrow it down any further than that for you. |
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scepticalbee
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Thanks Robbie for your reply.
Yes, non natives encounter huge problems to get an ESL/EFL job, even if they hold a Tefl certificate or a university degree in the field. There's actually a real discrimination going on in the ESL world and it might also harm the natives as well. Age, skin color, religion, foreign accents, etc... are some of the factors that could unfortunately influence your job search as much as your passport and your first degree...
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scepticalbee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Even though, you still have some basics to have and Celta is one of them. It's really obvious in the job offers advertised in "ESL Cafe", though: the majority asks for Trinity TESOL graduates, but the Celtas are preferred. |
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scepticalbee
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@ HLJHLJ:
"Common sense" is used when you know that you'd have huge problems to get a working visa or even a tourist one for a country which has really strict entry regulations. For example: an African wouldn't get a chance to work or even to spend his holidays in Europe, unless he holds another "acceptable" citizenship, or billions of dollars in a Swiss account, or a well installed family in the target country who can help him to get a visa.
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scepticalbee
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Same thing for a North Korean who'd like to visit the Grand Canyon this summer. The tourist visa could not be granted for the political reasons we know. Common sense.
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scepticalbee
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Now, I wouldn't have asked this question if I knew the answer. People could take their Celta with a "Tourist visa" in the UK and not settling there to work afterwards due to the strict immigration policy. Besides, the visa could not be granted as well if you don't meet some requirements and because the UK authorities would fear to see you stay there forever. Same thing for many other countries.
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scepticalbee
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But the question is: who would like to work officially as an ESL/EFL teacher in a country where they are staying illegally? Common sense.
So, I asked this question because I thought that there could be a better place to take the Celta in terms of quality first and then costs.
Many thanks to all of you for your participation. |
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