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adventious



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: authentication of academic quals Reply with quote

RiverMystic wrote:
Sure, you can fake anything, including an offical letter. Seems to me it would be even easier to fake the online verification, if all you have to do is print it out.
I couldn't agree more. As I said up thread, a chain of auditing procedures can be as prone to forgery as anything else. The reasonable hope is legal documentation (and the consequences of their forgery) will fare better than parchments and sealed envelopes. Were the seals, stamps, and bullae Wink of officialdom at all uniform, the concept might stick-- sincerely.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: authentication of academic quals Reply with quote

adventious wrote:
RiverMystic wrote:
Sure, you can fake anything, including an offical letter. Seems to me it would be even easier to fake the online verification, if all you have to do is print it out.

I couldn't agree more.

That's specific to whatever the Aussie process is. It's different for the US, which requires more than some random letter of congratulations from a university.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't have the foggiest ... and time is almost up

I'm from the UK. I'm in Asia right now

I want to avoid having to fly to London to have the degree certificate authenticated ... I'll probably have to go back there to apply for the Z visa but I don't fancy staying there very long

1) Can I pay an agency to do it (the one recommended by a poster now appears to be defunct)?
2) Can I have a mate in London do it?
3) What do I need to send? Degree cert, transcripts and passport?
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"For this type of document we simply need you to send the original document to our office along with a completed order form. The charge to do the certification, issue the apostille and China Embassy Attestation is £161.00 per document. We can process either the original or copy of this document, on the form there is a box where you can select which version you wish for us to process.

If you are unsure if the person requesting the apostilled documents from you will accept legalised copy documents then please check with that person."

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Do I need a copy authenticated or the original? I'm guessing it's the original?

Any precise information is truly welcome Embarassed
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mi-chew-condria



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm in korea right now and this information would be very useful. all i have is my original cert, transcript, and tefl. i was hoping i'd be good to go
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hz88



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a whole slew of threads about this on another board. There seems to be no clear way to do it.

I did it recently when I went home and used a notary, he dealt with the notorising and then sent or took it (not sure) to the Chinese consulate in Manchester.

They attached some kind of wax seal to it, so the copy had two stamps on it, one in English and one in Chinese, it cost me £125 for the Degree and £89 for the criminal records check.

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?read=115767

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?read=116068

There are various companies in the UK that can do it. Not sure about other places.

It seems to be being gradually phased in so I suggest getting it done sooner rather than later.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you copy it, go to a notary to verify the copy then take it to the consulate to be approved on the Chinese side.

I am confused simply because my most recent certificate was from a foreign university but issued in China. How does that work?
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Spelunker



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:23 am    Post subject: re: madness.... Reply with quote

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They attached some kind of wax seal to it, so the copy had two stamps on it, one in English and one in Chinese, it cost me £125 for the Degree and £89 for the criminal records check.


That is madness, and I hope they only attached a wax seal to a photocopy and not the original. By all the time spent faffing around, to and fro, it's made getting there and working the first month not worthwhile at all. If you are going to spend that money on getting stuff done, why not teach in South Korea or somewhere that will pay you for it?
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where I come from, our apostilles come attached to the document with a brass rivet looking thing. Is that grounds for denial? Who knows what these people are thinking of and looking for. An official transcript is much more authoritative than any apostille and their ridiculous authentication process anyway. . What is their problem? Transcripts are close to impossible to forge, they have special properties, just like money. Organizations usually rely on that alone and not some documentation process. Do they other special Chinese cultural or social requirements that people also have to be aware of? Do require arrival at the embassy in a Rickshaw as well? The embassy is also stupid enough to waste teacher's money by not excepting documents along with return envelopes over the mail. Who knows, maybe they need the kickbacks from the couriers and agents.
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plumpy nut wrote:
Where I come from, our apostilles come attached to the document with a brass rivet looking thing. Is that grounds for denial? Who knows what these people are thinking of and looking for. An official transcript is much more authoritative than any apostille and their ridiculous authentication process anyway. . What is their problem? Transcripts are close to impossible to forge, they have special properties, just like money. Organizations usually rely on that alone and not some documentation process. Do they other special Chinese cultural or social requirements that people also have to be aware of? Do require arrival at the embassy in a Rickshaw as well? The embassy is also stupid enough to waste teacher's money by not excepting documents along with return envelopes over the mail. Who knows, maybe they need the kickbacks from the couriers and agents.


It's not just in China, most of the ME insists on this process as well and it has to be done seperately each time you change countries.
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Spelunker



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:23 am    Post subject: re: kickbacks Reply with quote

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Who knows, maybe they need the kickbacks from the couriers and agents.


Yes, ME countries and South Korea require this, but the process is usually clearly laid out and things go smoothly. Whereas in China there is a lot of guesswork going on, as things are never very clear. Have they produced a step by step guide in English to the process? NO. Do they inform FT's in a suitable timeframe at the schools? Again, NO.

The communication is the problem, as always.
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MESL



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every province capital has a CSCSE office that will verify diplomas for a fee of about 800 yuan. Bring your passport, transcripts, diploma, resident permit, foreign expert certificate, health certificate, recommendation letters, resume, etc, originals and copies, although they might not ask for all of these. They ship the verification to you in 2 or 3 weeks. It's a one time process, so you won't have to go through this every time you need to obtain, renew, or transfer a resident permit. This is also the solution when your previous school refuses to cooperate with your next school, ie, recommendation letter.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that where I am working now, the dude who I am working with didn't need a police check nor degree verification.

So making sure he didn't break the chain of staying in China he was able to get a health check in a smaller province[saving upto $1000] and didn't need his docs done which saved him about $500.

Definitely confirmed if you can keep it within country it's far far superior to do it that way than going home and being forced to get everything done there.
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Spelunker



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:28 am    Post subject: re: dude? Reply with quote

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Interesting that where I am working now, the dude who I am working with didn't need a police check nor degree verification.


Care to name where this place would be? Also, "dude", refers to someone with a surfboard or habit for smoking an illegal drug. Englishmen would use "mate" or "bloke"......is this some 20 something arty term amongst younger TEFLers I have missed out on? Twisted Evil
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