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[British]

millie"
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1.most people here would prefer you to just go away
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Not me I prefer you to go first

lost_in_space"
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So, is the spelling of the "G" word different in Britain??
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at least we don't change all the english words.


merlin"
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poor grammar and posting complaints of a Native speaker?
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at least I can call my self a Native speaker of my Country-England unlike you Americans can!. and at least I was not born as traitor of my country unlike you are.

two good names together merlin & lost_in_space= one is lost and the other in dream land. hehehehehehehehehehe.

is "millie" a girl name?.

Bye Boys & Girls............................................................

injoy you sad life on here I have got a better life then you.

[Norman Bethune]

[Dan__]

I'll play along with this. I've got nothing better to do at the moment...

[ShapeSphere]

Norman,

I did reread BOTH sentences:

"Maybe he is a British teacher. His passport says he is."

Why argue over semantics when it's just a game, it's all over. Claim victory if you want - I don't care. BB is laughing at you.

Maybe later we can have an insightful discourse on an interesting topic, which provides stimulation and trenchant views. But this is not the topic.

I have some other ideas and will post them on this forum. I would like to see your intelligent contributions to something away from this thread.

[Norman Bethune]

[SueH]

Hmm, this thread is a bit worrying. I actually live near Portsmouth and when I previously asked the original poster where he came from in that city I had a premonition he'd say Stamshaw.

Mind you, however bad the standard of the schools are in that part of Portsmouth I still find it hard to believe that the OP is a native speaker - even a poorly educated Pompey one. Sorry to be gratuitously insulting BB, but forgetting grammar, if you type as you speak I doubt you are a very good conversation teacher either.

[dagi]

others did also see the spelling and grammar errors. I am NOT a native speaker and even I saw them. Reading all the other BB posts it reminded me of an TEFL teacher I met in China: he was Canadian. The guy emigrated to Canada from Romania at the age of 30, was 40 when I met him and while we had a chat he kept saying "When I did went to...."
I only thought that if this guy can teach English then I can do this, too.

"Do/does" is something I learned during my first two years of English classes - he/she/it the 's' comes with it!

Another thing: I teach my native language (German) and most of my colleagues are not native German. Everytime I take over a class I have to start over with pronounciation (the kids actually think my German pronounciation is very strange!) and have to teach them the most basic rules. This is the result that nearly all of my colleagues do not master the lanuage they teach. Therefore I think that you should really master the language you want to teach: grammar, spelling and speaking.

[ShapeSphere]

Norman,

I have made a huge mistake.

I thought you had an intelligent contribution to make. You haven't.

You can't be gracious, and you can't look at the facts or evidence of others, which many of us provided to disapprove BB's banal mumblings. I don't like lies Mr. Bethune, we gave you "credible evidence", so don't use weak spurious comments in a debate, BB may be a massive moron, but many of us aren't, and possess intelligence and an analytical mind.

Just the facts.

Really I should have let this lie, but because I'm English (unlike BB), my tenacity and resolve to see justice prevail takes over. I'm not a doormat for another person's 'bad day'.

BB is still laughing and the world is insane. Bush has won the election and you still think BB is real.

[Atlas]

Until I see something credible I will no longer be reading or commenting to the troll directly.

You see, that guy has spun the conversation into a debate about himself, thats exactly what he wants, otherwise he would be assuring us with more information. He has also made counterclaims that the reason we berate him is because his "grammer" is so poor, harping on the point that we must be grammar nazis or something.

The fact of the matter is, I dont care if he teaches Rabies 101 for Dogcatchers, and I dont care how well or poorly he speaks. The only thing that I see is someone who is deliberately stirring up SH*T in the most erratic and irrational way possible.

I say again: IF he were a real person, it's small wonder he is in such a bad job. Funny thing happens when you develop skills, you find better work. If he were a real person, then his feelings might be hurt about the blunt responses of others, but if he gets over his feelings he might learn that maybe it's a good thing to be taken seriously at work, and maybe it's a career advantage to develop more skill where he is sorely lacking, if that's his livelihood. He can ignore the advice to his heart's content. It's his crappy life.

IF he is trying to pass himself off as a native speaker, he's doing a lousy job of it. SInce his language is so bad, personally I would have to see evidence to the contrary to corroborate his incredulous claim. But let me say again, I simply don't care. However it may interest that person to know that he will find more support on these forums if he weren't so cavalier with his specious claims and country-bashing (I'm waiting for other "hot button" issues to emerge--suddenly he throws in a "old men and young asian girls" comment or "I collect my student's underwear, what of it"....

There is also the possibility this person is one of the familiar trolls who have pissed in the poolwater on a daily basis, posing as a Chinese poser, making quite a delectible bait for those of us who come here to MITIGATE the amount of Chinese BS we have to endure on a semi-daily basis. SOme of our trolls were certainly clever enough to pull that off if they wanted--but when I say clever I mean it in an idiot-savant way, some of them were broad in knowledge but grossly immature and with dysfunctional judgment. Certainly an obsessiveness comes through. with this poster which had been manifested in other posters, for example, someone who makes 40 posts (or whatever) in one day. Furthermore I have no doubt whatsoever that certain trolls are still among us in the guise of "normal" people, delighting in both inflaming a person and befriending them, subtley influencing as well. IF the OP in question is in this type of scenario, I advise him to get a wife and get real, because he's in mastur.bation mode.
More likely he has a rival website, or his school was bashed, or who knows what other beef he or she may have to make a systematic decline in community credibility. To address this point, allow me to say, good people rely on Dave's as a lifeline when they are scattered around the world, so grow the hell up, get out of your parents' house and go make a real *beep*.ing difference in the world.

I dont care if this poster makes 1000 posts a day, I wont be reading them because he has not sought our confidence, he has instead sought to inflame by baiting us, for example, with random
racist remarks that no more deserve refutal than would brash accusations whistled from a parrot. I dont care one bit about the quality of grammar nor his right to teach. I doubt very seriously that he could even judge what others' motivations are. I do care when good people have to tolerate a mouse turd in the soup.

SO ha ha he has a secret and we can't know the truth for certain, isn't that powerful? Only to someone whose worldview is arrested, pity for a "world traveler" .

Many people here including myself are prepared to offer support to others, without setting a criteria on skill or experience (regardless of stereotyped accusations of people in our profession, ie, "grammar police"). Quite simply, I draw the line at troll sh.t, for example, a new member with ten posts and already stirring up crap (in a tired stereotypical way), or an older member with hundreds of posts in a month and ten other identities, yet who leave the same bitter feeling in their wake.

The best advice the OP could have received was to develop more skill or attention to his medium, the English language, but if his feelings are hurt, or if he truly doesn't care about his craft, then he will always be working those bad, bad jobs. That's life. If he doesn't care, I sure don't!

One more thing, untill I see something REAL I will be ignoring this poster. I dont care if he lives here 10 years. I can't control his internet connection but I can control my own actions. Frankly I tolerate more difficult things on my walk home from work. That little bird, and all the others like him, can sing their little hearts out. It means nothing to me nor about me.

[enigma]

Oh, my.

Well, I, for one, actually believed the original poster after reading his first post in this thread. After all, I have taught in China, and I know that morons like that are "foreign experts" there, and I know that the problems he claimed to have encountered do exist there.

If only I had read further. Of course, we have yet another troll.

It seems obvious to me that the original poster is NOT a disgruntled Chinese student (as has been suggested), but a disgruntled regular reader of, or contributor to, the ESL Cafe, who is hell-bent on bringing the issue of idiotic, unqualified teachers (especially in China) to the forefront of discussion here.

None of "British bulldog"'s errors resemble Chinglish, in any way. Nor do they resemble the errors of new speakers of English. They are only a caricature of mistakes that an uneducated native speaker would make (I would quote and support with evidence, but there are just too many).

Someone is simply taking the piss at crummy English teachers in China, and of this forum's tolerance of unqualified teachers. Amusing, but it's depressing how many regular, respected (by me, even!) posters here fell for it.

So, who is "British bulldog"? C'mon, fess up!