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moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

runabout: Bush's grandfather DID help the nazis. This bit of information is not breaking news--it's been kicking around in newspapers here in Latin America for at least 2 years.

And here it is in The Boston Globe--excerpt from a book--in 2001!

Prescott Bush and the Nazis
by MICHAEL KRANISH

(Excerpt from PRESCOTT BUSH & NAZIS, BOSTON GLOBE 4/23/2001, TRIUMPHS, TROUBLES SHAPE GENERATIONS

PRESCOTT BUSH PAVED MODERATE PATH FOR SON AND GRANDSON;
WOUNDED BY FRIEND'S BETRAYAL, HE PUT HIGH PRICE ON LOYALTY)

Author: By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff Date: 04/23/2001 Page: A1 Section: National/Foreign

AN AMERICAN DYNASTY
Last of two parts

"Prescott Bush was surely aghast at a sensational article the New York
Herald Tribune splashed on its front page in July 1942.

'Hitler's Angel Has 3 Million in US Bank,' read the headline above a story reporting that Adolf Hitler's financier had stowed the fortune in Union Banking Corp., possibly to be held for "Nazi bigwigs."

Bush knew all about the New York bank: He was one of its seven directors. If the Nazi tie became known, it would be a potential embarrassment, Bush and his partners at Brown Brothers Harriman worried, explaining to government regulators that their position was merely an unpaid courtesy for a client.

The situation grew more serious when the government seized Union's assets under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the sort of action that could have ruined Bush's political dreams.

As it turned out, his involvement wasn't pursued by the press or political opponents during his Senate campaigns a decade later. But the episode may well have been one of the catalysts for a dramatic change in his life.

Just as the Union Banking story broke, Bush volunteered to be chairman of United Service Organizations, putting himself on the national stage for the first time.

He traveled the country raising millions of dollars to help boost the morale of US troops during World War II, enhancing his stature in a way that helped him get elected US senator.

A son and grandson would become presidents."

waygukgaijinhaole · Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:

AsiaTraveller · Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:59 am Post subject:

runabout,

Some questions you should be asking yourself:

"Why didn't I know about this? Why haven't the news media that I read and listen to told me these things?"

Many people have seen the evidence and quotes (and entire books) that verify the Bush family past, George's own beliefs about Christ and Jews, and indeed the rabid Christian fundamentalism of Dubya. Why haven't you?

Nagoyaguy · Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Aichi, Japan

Asia traveller.

You said;

Spinoza · Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 194 Location: Saudi Arabia

runabout · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 27

Asiatraveller,

As I said in my last post, it isn't surprising at all that he's Christian.

The Bush family past, based on Moonraven's account, explains a lot as to why I haven't seen it as "news."

Aside from that, I'm only a beginner in the lang of my host country -- I read the news, but I only understand about 25% or so of it.

Runabout

moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

runabout:

Who are you kidding!? Now your excuse for knowing nothing is that you can't understand the news in your "host" country? ("Host"--as in "parasite and host"?)

You can use the Internet with impunity to plague us with your vacuous posts here on Dave's--yet you can't be bothered to check out any English language news sites!?

If, by your own admission, you are uninformed (read deliberately ignorant), why not put your shoulder to the wheel, the pedal to the metal (because you are WAY behind in the information race) and use the time you normally would spend pestering us with your jejune pronouncements to LEARN something....

AsiaTraveller · Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:00 pm Post subject:

nagoyaguy,

I didn't say those words. They're Dubya's.

Nagoyaguy · Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Aichi, Japan

I KNOW they are quotes from Bush. What you didnt explain is what makes these statements specific to "fundamentalist" or "radical" Christians. You can probably find the same quotes or sentiments from a large majority of the Christian population.

What I would like to know is what you find so damning in those statements. THey seem pretty mainstream to me.

As to whether Bush used his faith to win votes, of course he did!! You could say the same thing about John Kerry cynically using his Catholicism to curry favour with the electorate, or Joe Lieberman (sp) being praised for his strong Jewish faith. They are POLITICIANS after all. What do you expect?

AsiaTraveller · Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:17 am Post subject:

nagoyaguy,

It's well known in the U.S. that Dubya subscribes to the views of the so-called Christian Zionists: those who believe -- very literally -- the New Testament's prediction of an Armageddon and an End Time as foretold in the biblical book of Revelation.

Such people are definitely Fundamentalists. In addition, they are frequently referred to as "millennialists", "biblical literalists", "eschatologists" and "preterists".

In this "story," the role of Israel is crucial: the Christian Zionists believe that a preserved State of Israel is a prerequisite for the second coming of Christ and the end time. Hence the strong pro-Zionist support for the current state of Israel among conservative Republicans and the Christian Right.

Bush has stated that he believes this viewpoint, and he surrounds himself with the creme-de-la-creme of Christian Zionists: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Billy and Franklin Graham, Jack Van Impe, and others.

There's plenty of information written about this. I'll let you do your own search.

moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

He's too lazy to do that. All he wants to do is spout infantile Bush propaganda. And he's not even getting anything for doing it. Dumb.

Nagoyaguy · Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Aichi, Japan

Moon, my friend, the only thing infantile here seems to be YOU. For someone of your age and supposed maturity and tolerance level, you show an astonishing lack of manners. People who disagree with you are labelled and dismissed.

I am still waiting for any information from you on the "Bush Gang", as you call it, and their ties to radical/fundamentalist Christian views. I guess I will be waiting a long time.

Seems there are 2 views of Bush here;

1/ he is a fundie
or
2/ he is cynical and uses faith to get what he wants.

Cant have it both ways now. Which is it?

juststeven · Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 117

What do you mean, he can't have it both ways? Duh and Paleeeeze! As someone that experienced Vietnam (and I haven't mentioned this to date on these forums), I believed when I was 18 that my government would never lie to me. I saw it daily and just tried to stay alive. In the good ole days when I was only 12 and selling newspapers, Kennedy was killed. I remember watching, with horror and tears, the news. Then the government led us to believe that he was shot from behind when his head was blown away. I knew, as a youth that had grown up with guns, that there was no way he was shot from behind! It seemed that everyone wanted to believe the lie. It's worse now!

AsiaTraveller · Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:16 am Post subject:

justcolleen · Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 654 Location: Egypt, baby!

From Mirriam-Webster:

Main Entry: fun�da�men�tal�ism
Pronunciation: -t&l-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles
- fun�da�men�tal�ist /-t&l-ist/ noun
- fundamentalist or fun�da�men�tal�is�tic /-"men-t&l-'is-tik/ adjective

Here are some sites for further reading:

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalism

George W. Bush, the fundamentalist Christian:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view

If you have the opportunity, you might want to read Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our Democracy by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. When the guy in charge of both policy and the checkbook (W) believes the world will end in a minute - because his Bible tells him so - it's obvious there is not point (again, I refer to W) in preserving the planet.