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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Interesting, when I take a taxi , the driver asks where I am from, i say America, and he also gives me the thumbs up. Everybody wants to believe what they want to believe, though.
Personally, I find the thrust of some threads sadly amusing. But one thing I have found is that people with minds who hate, will find someone to hate...regardless (to to upset some people...irregardless ). Personally don't care for Clinton, but I guess what Clinton does is bad, and what Hamas does is cool?
So the people with hate talk about Bush or Clinton doing whatever, will always find someone to blame for the world's evils. America will be blamed if it does something, America will be blamed if it does nothing. If someone wants to hate me becaue I am American, he has a sad life. Not my problem. Between him and God
That said, most of the Canadians I have met tend to be younger, more of the "backpacker" type. Does anyone's research show any statistical significance beased on age?
Ooga Dooga rules, even if I don't know how to spell it (My pardon to all the Fasto Burkanians) |
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2129 Location: 中国
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 6:10 am Post subject: ouch! |
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Hello there arioch36:
That's Ouagadougou. Now get it right, Chris! You have blatantly insulted millions of my new comrades with your nonchalant spelling boo-boo.
But seriously, have a nice weekend! I'm off to Bobo-Dioulasso for some burnt cork and a beer.
Warm regards,
keNt |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 1:09 pm Post subject: Hi, Mom |
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Dear keNt,
" I'm off to Bobo-Dioulasso for some burnt cork and a beer. "
Don't forget to pray to a few trees, bodies of water, rocks, etc. Now that you're an Animist, you do have to worship Mother Nature - and always remember: it's not NICE to fool Mom ( dress warm and wear your rubbers - ah, the kind you put on your feet, that is ).
Regards,
John |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 1:14 pm Post subject: Yo ho ho |
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Dear Shaman,
" Stranger: 'So. Where ya from?'
Me: 'Treasure Island.' "
There really IS one, you know, in San Francisco Bay:
http://sfphototour.tripod.com/treasure.html
I spent about a week there, on the way to Viet Nam, WAY back in 1965.
Regards,
John |
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Shaman

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 446 Location: Hammertown
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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And here I thought I'd found a banner that was free from any nation-association whatsoever. Maybe I can always find a "KISS Army" flag somewhere.
Shaman |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, I'm at a loss as to why this is such a big issue for (some) Americans. If certain people wish to display their nations' flag when traveling--for whatever reason--then "good on them". I don't complain about the folks who paint stars and stripes on their lawns...whatever floats your boat, folks.  |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:14 am Post subject: |
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There is a difference between loving your own country and making a political display against another country.
I've met Canadians who have the Canadian flags tatooed on them who harbor absolutely no bias against Americans. They are usually long term expats who just want to be reminded of home. I've met many more, who go out of their way to avoid Americans and who seethe with contempt for their neighbor country. The flag issue for them is not about being Canadian, it's about not being American.
Yes, America does not have a perfect record domestically or internationally. It has a history of unscrupulous people expoiting others for personal gain. It will continue to act in this way. So has and will every other country in the world. |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 10:09 am Post subject: |
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@guest of Japan...I don't see "political displays against another country" in this type of action. The people in question are sporting their own countries' flags (Canadian, Swedish, etc.), not an American flag with a big red slash through it.  |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Flags are usually worn by nationals of countries which are located next to big dominant countries. I don't see many British, US, Australian, or South African flags. I see NZ, Irish, and Canadian Flags. If this isn't a political statement then I wasted a whole lot of money on my history/poli sci degree.
I've been to Canada several times and only seen one Canadian flag outside someone's home, so I hardly believe that nationalism is strong trait of Canadians. If you still don't believe me then I suggest you engage a Canadian expat who is sporting a flag in conversation (while pretending you are not Canadian) and ask why the flag is worn. I guarantee the answer you receive will be a political lashing against Americans. |
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Shaman

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 446 Location: Hammertown
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Guest:
Your "guarantee" means that 100% of those bearing our sacred maple leaf would give Americans a "political lashing". I'll bet against those odds any day of the week. Were I to go to the States with a visible maple leaf, would I receive admonishment (100%) for our nation not sending troops to Iraq? No.
One flag? That's quite interesting. Before I walk a full block, I see at least three. Of those, Old Glory is also present at one house, a result of post-9/11 sympathies. That house is by no means the solitary example in this city, nor in the nation for that matter.
Lack of nationalism? Double gold in olympic hockey made the country (yes, even "separatist" Quebec) fly the flag to the extent where it appeared that autumn had rushed forth from the heart of winter. It always comes back to hockey...
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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I can't dispute the power of hockey. I also can't give you any estimate on American animosity in regards to the Iraq war. I came to Japan over 2 years ago and I haven't been back yet.
My guarantee doesn't mean that 100% feel that way. Please see my first post. I'm simply confident that the first person spoken to will.
That double gold in Hockey was pretty cool. I'm a big Lemieux fan, so I was cheering for you.
Have a nice day. |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:31 am Post subject: |
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guest of Japan wrote: |
Flags are usually worn by nationals of countries which are located next to big dominant countries. I don't see many British, US, Australian, or South African flags. I see NZ, Irish, and Canadian Flags.
I suggest you engage a Canadian expat who is sporting a flag in conversation (while pretending you are not Canadian) and ask why the flag is worn. I guarantee the answer you receive will be a political lashing against Americans. |
You don't see any US/UK flags in Japan? Take a look at the local fashion. We wear our flags for the exact opposite reason Japanese wear Old Glory. It's a statement that we are culturally different (okay maybe only a bit, but enough to create that monsterous British/Amercian English thread on this board, for one. ) When I asked my students about The Union Jack et al, they tell me "because it's cool." It is "cool" becuase it's what they see in the media, and it's "different" from local culture.
A lot of the people I knew not from the "big, dominant countires" would very much like poeple to realize that the "English speaking world" is made up of different regions and coutnries, each with its own dialects/culture/national distinctiveness. Yes, perhaps the differences between, say the UK and Canada are smaller than between Canada and Zimbabwe, but what nation state wants to be seen as a carbon copy of another?
Ask a Scot living abroad what part of England he's from.
My family and friends would wear the maple leaf if they went abroad. Ask them why, and I 100% guarantee no political backlashing (present war excepted. But have a heart - they wouldn't exactly be the only ones.)
There are probably some Amercia - haters that wear a maple leaf. From what I hear, some of those people carry US passports. But don't let the bad apples ruin your impression of everyone.
PS Before I left home my unlce have me a full - sized giant flag of ... Nova Scotia. Do I HATE Alberta with a passion? Um, no. It's just that Nova Scotia is my home, and people in my new country should realize that all "foreigners" are not carbon copies of one another, that each region is different. There are some real differences between life in Calgary and life in Halifax. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'm obviously not making any friends with my posted opinion, so I stand down now. I apologize if my opinion has annoyed any Canadians. Incidently, I love your country, but it's so cold in January. |
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Shaman

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 446 Location: Hammertown
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Nicely put, Wolf. And no offence taken on this end, Guest. Just didn't want the "bad apples" representing the bunch.
January? I'd prefer a bouquet of them rather than one February. That month seems like three - at least in my neck of the woods.
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: Rally round the Flag |
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I'd just like to add that my Canadian friends on the staff here seem very intrerested in giving me T-shirts, decals and pins with the Canadian flag on them. And I don't think that's because they believe I have a passion for Maple Leaves.
Regards,
John |
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