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Ki
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| Do you even know what you are talking about? This sounds quite close to an Ephermeralreal post. You don't have a boyfriend who exports big cheeses do you? |
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teacha
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Ki wrote: |
| Do you even know what you are talking about? This sounds quite close to an Ephermeralreal post. You don't have a boyfriend who exports big cheeses do you? |
Oh yes he does! |
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teacha
Joined: 25 Aug 2005
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Not sure what the point to the post was. All the jobs offered at least 600 per hour, more than your claims. Though you seem to think the amount of time you supposedly spent here is not relevent, I believe it is in this discussion. You obviously know very little about the teaching scene here. All hail the return of AKATDN/ Ephemeralreal. |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Ki wrote: |
| Do you even know what you are talking about? This sounds quite close to an Ephermeralreal post. You don't have a boyfriend who exports big cheeses do you? |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:24 am Post subject: |
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teacha.
Im not sure if you are aware but its against board rules to post job ads on the general forums. Clients pay for ads and you are just giving them free advertising. If you are going to do it please delete out the contact details such as phone numbers and emails |
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teacha
Joined: 25 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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teacha.
Im not sure if you are aware but its against board rules to post job ads on the general forums. Clients pay for ads and you are just giving them free advertising. If you are going to do it please delete out the contact details such as phone numbers and emails |
I di  dn't thanks! |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| The minimum requirement as far as hours in order to obtain an ARC is 14 hours a week. |
You speak as if this is some sort of rule when it clearly isn't. |
You speak as though it isn't a rule when it clearly is. In order for foreign teachers to get a work permit to teach in Taiwan they must have a contract stating a mimimum 14 hours a week. That is a fact.
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| No I'm saying the wording of 5-600/hr 30 hrs a week, 100hrs a month etc is not common, but 5-600/hr for a few hours a weeks is. |
I have no idea what you are talking about, and it seems neither do you.
At an hourly rate you can find jobs ranging from a couple of hours a week through to 30 or 40 hours a week. Most schools offering over 30 hours a week tend to go for salaries positions as it works out better for the school. The average number of hours would most likely be around 25 per week.
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| I am in NY now, I lived in Taiwan until last Spring. I'm not saying how long because this is clearly a pssing contest and I'm not interested in that. |
Which translates as 'short term'.
The length of stay here is not the be all and end all of knowledge, but it is not likely that someone who has only been here for a year or less, or even a couple of years, is likely to know more than people who have been involved in the industry here for 5, 10, or even 15 years.
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HERE is the link on this site that is dominated by people bemoaning the climate of the teaching system of buxibans: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobinfo/asia/sefer.cgi?Taiwan
I agree with these people and so does everyone else I know NOT seeking to discredit me on here. |
What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. What is clear however is that no one here agrees with you as what you are saying is just silly.
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| The links that I gave you were in relation to your statement that teachers can't earn over a certain wage. They can, and I have shown that. |
No you have stated that, not shown it by any means, nor shown it to be as common as you say. |
Mate if you can't see what is clearly true then that is your problem. No one agrees with you and the websites that I have linked to clearly show that there are plenty of hourly rate jobs, offering enough hours to qualify for an ARC, and at rates that average around NTD600 per hour.
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| I owned a small advertising, design, prinitng co. in NY. The local economy went down hill and I decided to ditch America and the career. Before that I was a photographer. I have a BA in sociology, which I'm sure is useless to Taiwan. |
Teacha, mine was a rhetorical question. You don't need to apply for a job with me mate. I was merely suggesting that if you wanted a job doing something other than teaching then you would need to bring something to the table. Being the proud owner of a failed business is probably not something that I would tout to get my foot in the door.
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| I'm good with people from NY and I mentioned my skills above. I assumed Taiwan wanted to have peole that could actually speak to people in America and email them in NON BROKEN ENGRISH. Or maybe translate the broken engrish into real english? I assumed they wanted western people to represent them to overseas customers so those customers would have more confidence that their requests and concerns were comprehended and delat with accordingly. |
So by this I take it that you don't speak Chinese. Do you realize that nowadays there are plenty of white faces here who do speak Chinese quite well. So in your case your Chinese colleagues would have to spend time (and money) translating Chinese into English, so that you could fix it. Why would they spend money on you when they could spend the same money on getting a foreigner who can translate the Chinese to English and make the company marketable? This is exactly my point. You are asking about work other than teaching, but you don't have anything to offer other than the fact that you speak English.
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| I can't really find any sites for Taiwan hiring Americans to work outside of teaching but I still look regualrly....I'll probably give up at some point unless you or soemone else has a link or 2 for me. |
Real good work ethic there! The fact that you can't even find such sites is probably a good thing as it indicates that you wouldn't qualify for the positions listed.
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| Don't insult my intelligence I know how to use the internet as well or better than you or anyone. |
Obviously not.
You can't seen to find job sites relating to work other than teaching work in Taiwan.
You can't seem to find sites that contain information that dispells your claims about teachers wages. Even when these pages are brought to your attention you still can't find the information on those pages that proves you wrong.
You can't seem to find sites that contain the legislation (in English) that shows that everything you have said here is wrong.
You didn't seem to be aware that the use of all caps on a discussion forum is considered rude and reflects shouting.
You didn't seem to know that posting job information on this forum was not acceptible.
You didn't even know that this was the Taiwan job forum.
You don't seem to know what a troll is.
| teacha wrote: |
| If you are so well connected how about a link THAT IS NOT IN CHINESE. I have been refered to many for jobs in Tawian for foreigners only to go there to see its in chinese. Nope I am not a commidity if my lack of chinese language ability rules me out for consideration. |
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| Read the link I gave above to other peoole bemoaning the industry for more examples of what I and they encounter that is apparantly not your experience nor anyone you know, nor your cronies here. |
Why do I need to read the opinions of others to attempt to understand your own opinion? Why can't you speak for yourself?
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| My friend has a small illegal school in her home, she is a chinese national with a very good grasp on english having lived in CA for 25 years. She is both reasonable, smart, attractive, well dressed and well mannered, in addition she gets the culture too! She was raised in Tien Mu after being adopted by a wealthy family. She was born on the mainland. |
As I say, there are any number of reasons that she may be having trouble getting work, and without knowing her I can't really comment on why she isn't having any luck. She is not really the point anyway, she is just an example you were using.
The point that you were trying to make is that work is not available, when the fact is that it is available.
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| Within the year there was a HUGE DOCUMENTARY on Canadians teaching in Taiwan. By huge I mean advertised to death, adn rerun to death and much talked about in CANADA and it ellicted a huge wave of Canadians to come over. |
I am aware of the show, but not aware of any wave of Canadians here.
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| I met almost NO AMERICANS in Taiwan and every white preson I met that was a Canadian (99%) told me there was huge flood within the year and many blamed it on the Candian recession adn the Documentary. |
Just because you met Canadians does not automatically mean that there is an overwhelming predominance of them here. You suggested that the teaching market was flooded with Canadians when it's not.
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| They will also work for less than Americans according to the Ca's I spoke with and a few bosses that interviewd me |
Some people say the same about South Africans. Personally I don't think that peoples choice of wages nor positions has as much to do with the nationality stated on their passport as it does with the individuals own choice.
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| WHY do you keep asking me if I have a degree after I already answer the question? Every day you ask me: Do you have a degree, I answer it and then I am asked again. |
Show me where you have answered this question in your posting here. Go on, quote yourself. This will be really interesting to see.
The fact is that you haven't answered the question.
The reason I asked the question in the first place is due to the fact that you made somewhat disparraging remarks about people in their 40's with degrees stealing work from people like yourself. So either your problem is an age problem or a qualification problem, and this is what is behind your resentment. Assuming that you do indeed have a degree then it seems that it may be resentment based upon age.
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| I meant illegally for an American with no ARC or local wife, I was not missing that point. |
Oh yes, how silly of me. You said 'teacher' but we should have automatically known that you were of course referring to 'American's with no ARC or no local wife'.
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| Agreed although I worked illegally for a prestigious one in Taipei (one of the most modern and stylish one I ever saw there) =and I know that is not too common but I had been offered several positions by schools that refused to offer ARC but would hire me illegally and they were certainly legally allowed to offer ARC's. |
If you have a degree, qualify for legal employment, and are such an assett as you claim, then why didn't you work legally? I really don't believe that you do have a degree, and this would explain your earlier anger directed toward those who possess degrees, and also the fact that you are unable to secure legal work here.
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| THAT IS TOTAL B.S. you have yet to back that up with proof. I am willing ot believe it is possible that they are advetrtised and I am gald to keep looking for them, but saying that it's the majority is unfounded and untrue in my experience and i would say they are rare until I see differently. |
Clearly what I say is true.
It is backed up by the websites I have posted as well as the posts of others on this forum. |
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Stosskraft
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| When are the mods going to get rid of this clown? |
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Union Jack
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well I have read most of what Teach has to say and I must say that basically he/she is painting a very poor picture of Taiwan. Yes it is true that there are some schools that could do better, but basically the picture painted by teach is not that bad. I think that the important thing for people to remember is that Taiwan is not their home country and there are different working practices in place. The important thing for people is to do their research and make a balanced judgement on whether to come or not.
I also feel that if things are that bad for teach then he/she should not bother wasting their time here. I also feel that if teach has had such a bad time he/she should move on and stop bitching about Taiwan as it is not that bad.
I would also like to mention that Clark has a more balanced assessment of the situation in Taiwan than most. Clark like myself has been in Taiwan for some years now and is able to give you a more accurate assessment of the situation here. |
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teacha
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Well I have read most of what Teach has to say and I must say that basically he/she is painting a very poor picture of Taiwan. Yes it is true that there are some schools that could do better, but basically the picture painted by teach is not that bad. I think that the important thing for people to remember is that Taiwan is not their home country and there are different working practices in place. The important thing for people is to do their research and make a balanced judgement on whether to come or not.
I also feel that if things are that bad for teach then he/she should not bother wasting their time here. I also feel that if teach has had such a bad time he/she should move on and stop *beep* about Taiwan as it is not that bad.
I would also like to mention that Clark has a more balanced assessment of the situation in Taiwan than most. Clark like myself has been in Taiwan for some years now and is able to give you a more accurate assessment of the situation here. |
Well, I do appreciate this comment and I am considering going back because i believe it is possible to succeed but I am of course considering many options. I think I am not painting any worse picture than any of the entries in link from this site I posted above. In fact I am less critical than many of those writers. If I am wrong I will gladly admit it and I have admitted that i found 3 ads withing the week on tealit that offered ARC and by the hour but how legal they are is debatable. One was for a kindy and the other was for a less than one year old school which I wonder if it is using it's own identity for ARC but I cannot say they aren't. These 3 ads were not the norm but they did exist and they were under part time which I was not looking at because I did not think it was worth trying to establish myself in a location/apartment for just a part time job. The power the employer has to tell the gov't that you have broken the contract (whether or not you have or they have) and thus being evicted fromthe entire country is quite a risk to take for a part time job. I washoping to take that risk at one location but seeing a fulltime job for a per hour pay that is fair is still ellusive as I far as I can see. Again, maybe I just wrong. It is possible, but I will believe the opposite when i see it. |
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teacha
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| When are the mods going to get rid of this clown? |
I'm sorry, I think you should be on the mainland where everyone that dares to criticize the status quo is persecuted. Why don't you consider relocating. |
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Stosskraft
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I'm sorry, I think you should be on the mainland where everyone that dares to criticize the status quo is persecuted. Why don't you consider relocating. |
I have been on the Mainland, for almost one year. Fushun and Nanjin and that was quite enough. |
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teacha
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, I think you should be on the mainland where everyone that dares to criticize the status quo is persecuted. Why don't you consider relocating. |
I have been on the Mainland, for almost one year. Fushun and Nanjin and that was quite enough. |
And now you cannot stand to be in Japan...where would you be a happy person? |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| If I am wrong I will gladly admit it and I have admitted that i found 3 ads withing the week on tealit that offered ARC and by the hour but how legal they are is debatable. One was for a kindy and the other was for a less than one year old school which I wonder if it is using it's own identity for ARC but I cannot say they aren't. These 3 ads were not the norm but they did exist and they were under part time which I was not looking at because I did not think it was worth trying to establish myself in a location/apartment for just a part time job. |
Give it up!
Just because you can't find the jobs does not mean that they don't exist. The fact that everyone else here is stating that your assertions are wrong suggests that these jobs do in fact exist. I am sure that they do.
Let's have a look at a snapshot of the jobs on this site.
Let's concentrate on the first 25 job listings on the first page.
There are six jobs there that offer the minimum 14 hours (or possibly even below this).
There are nine jobs that offer salary based positions and these positions range in hours from 15 to 40, but most range from 25-40.
There are ten jobs listed that seem to be offering around NTD600 an hour, over the minimum number of hours a week, and ARC's.
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Assuming that this is an accurate representation of the job situation in Taiwan, which I believe it is, then we can extrapolate the following.
1. 25% of jobs on offer are probably best avoided by teachers seeking a work permit and ARC as the hours are inadequate, which means that 75% of jobs do offer the legal requirement of hours.
2. 30% of jobs are salary based, which means that 70% are hourly based.
3. Of jobs that offer hourly rates around 70% of these positions offer around NTD600 per hour, and enough hours to get an ARC.
NB: This is not meant to be a comprehensive study so please don't take it at that. It is merely a snapshot of jobs available on one site, on one day. It does however fall in line with my suggestions to date.
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| The power the employer has to tell the gov't that you have broken the contract (whether or not you have or they have) and thus being evicted fromthe entire country is quite a risk to take for a part time job. |
This is misleading and is based entirely upon opinion, with no basis in fact.
Please indicate any cases since the CLA took over control that show an employer maliciously blacklisting a teacher? If you don't have this information then please show the maturity of not suggesting that it is the case.
I am not a fan of teacher blacklisting but I do see that it serves a purpose. It is my belief from my dealins with the CLA that they are handling the responsibility well, and until I see a verifiable case of a malicious blacklisting I will always call into question the suggestion that such does occur. I note that of those who suggest that schools can easily blacklist teachers for no reason, those people NEVER support this suggestion with any information, and those people are often renowned on this board for regurgitating misinformation.
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| I washoping to take that risk at one location but seeing a fulltime job for a per hour pay that is fair is still ellusive as I far as I can see. |
Which suggests that maybe you just shouldn't come! |
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