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D.O.S.



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Location: TOKYO (now)/ LONDON
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A few union organizers regularly write here. So what. No one asks about their background, nor should they.

No one has asked about their background. However, I am asking about yours. Why can't you back up your statements by telling us about yourself? Why the worry?

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Anyway, I am neither a school owner nor a manager of any type- just an ordinary ESL teacher with a few years experience teaching here in Japan.

I have a hard time believing this. Why? If you simply have "anti-union" thoughts with no agenda, why would you continue to argue here with those who have a real passion for what they are doing.

I suspect that while you will continue to deny it, you do in fact have an agenda.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What's your "agenda?" What a stupid question. I have my opinions just as you do.

I just happen to believe that that unions are as outdated as the steam locomotive. Not only are they not needed today, but they have become part of the problem, for reasons I have stated several times before.

Governments and political parties are the proper vehicles to use if you want change in labor laws. Again, unions are just another selfish interest group, trying to pick the taxpayers pocket and protecting their own members, whethr they deserve it or not. Often they don't.

Debate the above. My background has no more relevance than yours.
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D.O.S.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As predicted, you deny your hidden agenda.

As someone with many years in the EFL business, and many years dealing with online forums, I can see through you and know what you are up to.

I've known many people here and on other forums (and in other venues) who pass themselves off as "just another English teacher" yet have agendas. This type usually appears when it comes to issues regarding unions, teacher rights, and such.

Of course, that's only for 99% of the cases. You might be that magic 1% figure. Wink
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wangtesol



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nicely done DOS.

Hopefully there will be a time when ESL Cafe is less of a lounge for recruiters and managers, and more of a pro-teacher community.

I like the recruiter's refrain "why are posters so negative" when recruiter and managers come on these sorts of forums and see the exposure of the unregulated private language school industry that they help to sustain.

Unions are the de facto regulators since managers and higher ups in the TESOL world will not uphold labour and teaching standards.

The Asahi Shimbun (on April 12 2005) reported that 97% of all private language school teachers in Japan quit within three years. Well, since most union members have taught for more than 3 years, we can say the unionization rate for them is 33%. That is very significant. Higher than the unionization rate in the US. When is the US going to say screw it, and just become like China with no free unions?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What's your "agenda?" What a stupid question. I have my opinions just as you do.


Gimp, you obviously have no idea how unions work in Japan. Maybe you do about Portugal (which you mentioned earlier) and I am all ears especially about those corporatist/fascist years under Salazar. Those were the days, huh?

So for newbies and the Gimp:
A person who represent "the interests of management" may not become a union member. So, if your human resource manager wants to join your new union, well, sorry he can't. Even if he is great guy, and some are. They legally cannot join a union.

Also, if someone is not a manager but is representing management, such as a rat, then they cannot be admitted to a union.

Therefore, it becomes very important as to what your agenda is, Gimp. To me, it is clear you work in the interest of management. And, this is really unfair to new teachers who come to this board to look for good advice on teaching overseas.
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