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Steppenwolf
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| And if kindergarten specialists get paid a professional's salary it doesn't mean they know what FTs at colleges ought to earn. |
you see steppenwolf when the bog-standard China FT can jump about not only from job to job - but also educational field to field (for example aren't you always writing about your kindy, middle school and university experience - doubtless you've also taught in primary and mills) - then even a certificated kindergarten specialist has to keep a wary eye open for a nasty turn in general wage-scales  |
Whose "bog-standard" FT?
For your information, the future of Chinese kindergartens will marginalise charlatane or rogue teacher adherents of the "bilingual" methodology because more efficient methods will prove the uselessness of imaginatively-challenged, ideologically-overloaded bookworm specialists.
I don't know if you will have the oomph to motivate and educate students that have had too many years of bilingual English instruction. In any event, the payscale for kindy educators is not moving up in leaps. n |
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vikdk
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steppenwolf - bog-standard - is a slang term used by native speakers of English from the British Isles, often in an almost affectionate way, to describe ordinary - "hey mate I love me car, even if she is a bog-standard model"
As for the rest of your post - well if we're keeping to a motoring theme - did you blow a gasket?? |
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Brian Caulfield
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20 a month means you are doing a lot of private teaching . Is this legal prof ?
If you live in Beijing you need this money . If you live in the west you can live better on 10 and not have to spend your time going into peoples homes to teach their kids . It means you don't have to listen to some new doctor talk about his new procedure that he has done for the first time .
dui bu dui ? |
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cj750
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| 20 a month means you are doing a lot of private teaching |
not necessarily.... |
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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
steppenwolf - bog-standard - is a slang term used by native speakers of English from the British Isles, often in an almost affectionate way, to describe ordinary - "hey mate I love me car, even if she is a bog-standard model"
As for the rest of your post - well if we're keeping to a motoring theme - did you blow a gasket?? |
vikdk:
It is easy for someone to misinterpret regional slang. If I were to transfer my understanding of what a bog is to its American near-equivalent , I might take offense to your reference to a bog. |
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vikdk
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bog = toilet in English slang. As a schoolboy I was always enjoying a quick f a g (not a fellow schoolboy - but English slang for cigarette) in the bogs - so no wonder all my offensive behaviour  |
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Leon Purvis
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vikdk,
You're a real commodian. |
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vikdk
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me nawwwwwww - I'm just a bog-standard bloke  |
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fluffyhamster
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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Ooh, I'm getting all flushed reading this - I myself do like a f a g every now and then (and not necessarily always in a bog).
Am I "plumbing the depths" yet?  |
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vikdk
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This thread has most definitely been sent to the gutter - probably swimming around down there with Fluffies' f a g-butts (brit slang = cigarette ends)  |
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prof
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It certainly has gotten bogged down.
I blame Roger! |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: The "MYTH" of the poor EFL teacher in China |
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Many teachers in other nations (particularly Japan) seem to think ALL EFL teachers in China are poor and dreaming of buying that next Big Mac for their kids.
Most of the teachers I know (professional, qualified teachers) are making well over 20,000 RMB/month in China.
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And where are these job adverts? Most of the ones I see on Dave's and TEFL.com are around 500 USD a month |
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TravellingAround
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| It's a shame prof has gone. Certainly livened the place up. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| And where are these job adverts? Most of the ones I see on Dave's and TEFL.com are around 500 USD a mo |
you will never see them on Dave's...use to before they started charging for ads...these kinds of jobs are found by investigating the job market much the same as any entry level job seeker would have to do..ESL jobs laid out for all to see are for the masses and the individual who seeks the better job and has the qualifications will seek the jobs at the source... |
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william wallace
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| I have to say, there is no bloody way that an average ESL'r is going to make big bucks. I know one semi-oldbie(6 years) that is making 20,000 a month,but he's working 7 days a week running around like a chicken with his head cut off-This is impossible to sustain ! Now you introduce B.Ed's and PGCE.....well, why would you choose ESL, as you'd be a legit middle-class qualified in your home country.High salaries have gone down in Beijing, and yes the lowly salaries have come up,but the only saving grace is that you can live cheap here,but for how long does one want to deny themselves luxuries? |
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