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Malsol



Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent Articles in China Daily


Campus homosexual club in spotlight ( 06/11/16 19:26:50 )
Homosexuality, often a taboo subject in China, has been in the headlines since a homosexual student group became a registered club at Zhongshan University.

Help-line for lesbians opens in Shanghai ( 06/11/23 06:39:56 )
Lesbians in Shanghai can get psychological help and support from a new hotline that opened this week, the first on the Chinese mainland dedicated to their concerns.

Lesbian hotline ready for launch ( 06/11/11 09:02:14 )
After launching China's fi rst free hotline for gay men, the Chiheng Foundation in Shanghai will offer a similar service later this month for lesbians.

Beijing opens nation's first free clinic for gays ( 06/11/09 07:04:33 )
Beijing's first clinic for gay people, also China's first to provide free services, opened Wednesday, providing checkups for all sexually transmitted diseases.

Talking straight ( 06/08/12 05:49:23 )
"I must have been the only fully dressed man to ever hang out in a gay sauna," laughs Wang Ming. "No wonder everyone stared at me." Wang can only laugh when he recalls the unique challenges he faced as a timid heterosexual man entering the baffling world of gay men. To break the ice, the bespectacled young man from the Yunnan provincial health education institute began playing chess at the sauna, handing out pamphlets and condoms to curious onlookers during breaks.

Can homosexual adopt children in China? ( 06/05/30 16:15:46 )

New hotline to offer help to gay people ( 06/05/11 06:28:03 )
GUANGZHOU: The first national free hotline offering advice to gay people on a range of subjects has been launched.

Gay volunteers promote safe sex in capital ( 06/03/22 05:58:58 )
Packed with people late at night, it seems like any other bar in Beijing.
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englishgibson



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon, morals are so ambiguous, if one says he/she wants me to follow them. Connecting any gay issues to immorality is rather prejudicial and highly subjective to discussions.
I understand that different countries have different moral standards. And, if one foreigner wished to learn all those standards he/she would've to live there for longer period of time, or one would've to study extensively on those morals. In any case, morals to me are a highly subjective matter anywhere in the world.
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The discussion of homosexuality could be a discussion of morals in some folks' eyes, so I won't broach the subject.....I am very wary of putting myself in the way of someone's knee-jerk reaction.
I know what you mean and agree with you that why put one's job or name on the line for an issue you do not need to discuss. Still, I'd feel sorry to see my students eager to speak English hushed for a reason of my moral presumptions or fear of having problems further on.
I believe discussing such topics is educating as it is. We shall not be shy discussing gay or boyfriends-girlfriends issues, sexual harassment etc since those are a part of our lives. However, we shall be able to manage those classroom conversations as well as we shall be able to explain such discussions to the ones concerned. If we can't do either, then we might not be as good ESLers as we should, in my opinion. I mean, we can't be in China to teach only Chinese culture in English words, right?

Peace to Chinese culture, Chinese educational approach, Chinese morals
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/pacnews/a/2006/11/25/chinagay25.DTL

Editor's Note: Homosexuality has gained some acceptance in metropolitan cities like Shanghai and Beijing. But in rural China, as one young man explains, being gay is still a secret he must keep from his family.

The prestigious Fudan University in Shanghai held China's first academic course in homosexuality last year, signaling the beginning of acceptance from both the Chinese government and China's major urban areas.


"I cannot tell them," he explains. "My life, my money, my school -- it is all from my family. I have no job. My father gives me everything. When I get a job and can live on my own, then, I think I must tell them. I want to tell them."
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Leon Purvis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As in all classroom discussions, one should use common sense when discussing this subject. I think that one should know all -- or at least some--of the issues involved and be able to provide informed responses.

My common sense tells me to stay away from such discussions because I cannot provide informed responses. For me, any topics involving homosexuality are about as familiar to me as discussions about nuclear science. I've heard of it, and I've seen some nuclear power plants, and I have a vague idea of how nuclear power plants produce electricity, but I really can't engage in an informed conversation about the matter.

That is not to say that others can't.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon Purvis wrote:
As in all classroom discussions, one should use common sense when discussing this subject. I think that one should know all -- or at least some--of the issues involved and be able to provide informed responses.

My common sense tells me to stay away from such discussions because I cannot provide informed responses. For me, any topics involving homosexuality are about as familiar to me as discussions about nuclear science. I've heard of it, and I've seen some nuclear power plants, and I have a vague idea of how nuclear power plants produce electricity, but I really can't engage in an informed conversation about the matter.

That is not to say that others can't.


LP - great advice, but if followed, there would be so FEW posts here at Dave's. Laughing
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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gay means happy

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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you stop your students from speaking about any subject in class to me you are nothing but a coward. It was not cowardice that granted you the freedom of speech you have in your own country, it was the bravery of those before you who died and walked into the gun. Most of us cannot fathom what it's like to be a citizen of a society that oppresses the freedom of speech though we may be living in one. These people by discussing such topics as homosexuality or religion etc. are doing so because they can't discuss them with their Chinese teachers or most people in their society. Grant them the freedom that you know, however brief it may be....God Bless America!!!! And blame the Canadians.. This is the word of the lord, blessed be to God.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long ai gu wrote:
If you stop your students from speaking about any subject in class to me you are nothing but a coward. It was not cowardice that granted you the freedom of speech you have in your own country, it was the bravery of those before you who died and walked into the gun. Most of us cannot fathom what it's like to be a citizen of a society that oppresses the freedom of speech though we may be living in one. These people by discussing such topics as homosexuality or religion etc. are doing so because they can't discuss them with their Chinese teachers or most people in their society. Grant them the freedom that you know, however brief it may be....God Bless America!!!! And blame the Canadians.. This is the word of the lord, blessed be to God.


There are rule we must follow.
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cj750



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you stop your students from speaking about any subject in class to me you are nothing but a coward


interesting..would you stop them if they were discussing what a f.a.g the FT was....
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sheeba



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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interesting..would you stop them if they were discussing what a f.a.g the FT was....


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Well at least someone made me laugh today ! Thanks CJ.
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cj750



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't laugh ...it happen to me...

OK just kidding..
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sheeba



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bums against the wall Smile
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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never stop them from discussing what a f>a<g the FT was or any other subject. By the way I have a beautiful baby son in China it was an accident the condom broke.
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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJ750 I attacked you once in a previous thread and I just want to say that I'm sorry for doing this and i thought you were suggesting that I was a f,a,g (a cigarette of course) look at how wrong I can be.

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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol if you use the word are you must pluralize the word rule. Please tell me of the rule(s) we MUST follow, I do not know of them.
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