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Possible to save around �20,000/$40,000 a year in the ME?
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unfortunately, it's this group that mainly endlessly moans about life in Kuwait, but at the same time refuse to leave because of the easy money.


Hadn't seen this when I posted above, but couldn't agree more. The same is true for KSA, and, I suspect, everywhere in the Gulf. There's nothing at all wrong with coming here for just a year or two with the sole intention of saving a lot of money. However, if this is your choice - or if this choice was forced on you by poor life choices and/or general unemployability - at least be a little humble and acknowledge the fact that this country is giving you an opportunity no other country could or would.

Not only do these whingers make for deeply unpleasant company, their inability to see beyond the end of their contract, and their total lack of concern for their host country beyond what it can do for their bank balance, is holding back the progress of education in the Gulf. Of course, a good deal of the blame has to go to the local Education Ministries for making themselves so dependent on these carpetbaggers in the first place.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was in Jeddah (1990-2002) there was a HUGE demand for moonlighters at places like ELS in the evenings /summer holidays. In Eastern province where I am now the demand is much lower and hourly rates vary from 80 SR an hour (OUCH !) to 150 SR an hour.

I would be careful about giving private lessons - payment can be problematic and cancellation at last minute - often with no warning - is common.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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payment can be problematic and cancellation at last minute - often with no warning - is common


True, but there are ways round it. I once had a student who frequently forgot she had a lesson - I wont' even say she used to cancel, she simply forgot all about it or slept through our appointment time. I'd be there waiting for her driver and all of my phone calls to her would go unanswered, untill she'd PM me an apology when she woke up at around midnight. It was all innocent enough on her part, but it got so annoying that I told her that in future she would have to pay for any lessons missed in such a way. She accepted this. Of course, this young lady came from one of the Kingdom's wealthiest families, so the money didn't mean much to her. Less privileged students might resist this, but even if you can't get the full amount for cancelled lessons, at least try to get 50% or some amount.

Some people I know have students pay in advance, though again, many students might not be happy with such an arrangement. Others have students pay a set amount for so many lessons a month, and this is paid whether all of the lessons are taken or not. As I've said, getting students to agree to any of these arrangements might not be easy, but in a situation where demand exceeds supply - at least for competent, qualifed female teachers - students may have to just take it or leave it.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not only do these whingers make for deeply unpleasant company, ... [they are] ... holding back the progress of education in the Gulf.


Haha, what?

So these people are holding back the progress of education in the Gulf? Wow.

So it is them, and not the culture here, the history, the abundant wealth, the lack of motivation, the CRAP [local] education systems, the inefficient government departments, lack of facilities, lack of good curricula, etc?

OK.

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As for private tutoring being illegal, a lot of people think there is some special case for private tutoring being illegal for teachers. It is more than just that.

When you work in the Gulf under the sponsorship system, BY LAW you cannot accept any other employment of any kind, even freelance. But many people break this rule. It is not really that strictly enforced, as many employers turn a blind eye to it as long as the employee is doing his/her job properly, and there is no conflict of interest, such as working for a competitor, tutoring one's own students privately as well, etc.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! The rage is fairly jumping off the page.

Now, if you weren't reacting on an emotional, rather than logical level, you would have read my post and seen that I in no way imply that the blame for the poor Gulf education systems is solely due to short-term, selfish expats with no interest in the future of the region. I suppose that, not for the first time, your emotions get in the way of you actually reading what was written - and what was not written. I do happen to believe that the attitudes of such people are one reason education is in such a poor state here - never suggested that they were the only reason, or even the main reason.

Anyway, don't let me keep you away from hunting down articles about the plight of Saudi women from the Arab Snooze.
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miski



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abundant wealth never hurt anyone except the 'whingers' who don't have it.
Local (public)education system in Kuwait is fine except for over crowding i classes ( altho the same size as UK ) and Egyptian teachers who only teach to the front row and fix exam grades.

Lack of good curricula?- well 99% of curricula are exactly the same or based on UK/US so, who's to blame there?
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

miski wrote:


Lack of good curricula?- well 99% of curricula are exactly the same or based on UK/US so, who's to blame there?


99% ??

Details please.
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007



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was all innocent enough on her part, but it got so annoying that I told her that in future she would have to pay for any lessons missed in such a way. She accepted this. Of course, this young lady came from one of the Kingdom's wealthiest families, so the money didn't mean much to her. Less privileged students might resist this, but even if you can't get the full amount for cancelled lessons, at least try to get 50% or some amount.


So, how much were you charging this wealthy young lady?

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well 99% of curricula are exactly the same or based on UK/US so, who's to blame there?

Everybody, from the student to the Minister of Education!
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, how much were you charging this wealthy young lady?


You're nosey, aren't you?

FYI 200SR an hour, so 400SR for a two-hour session which rarely lasted longer than 100 minutes.[/quote]


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Abundant wealth never hurt anyone except the 'whingers' who don't have it.
Local (public)education system in Kuwait is fine except for over crowding i classes ( altho the same size as UK ) and Egyptian teachers who only teach to the front row and fix exam grades.

Lack of good curricula?- well 99% of curricula are exactly the same or based on UK/US so, who's to blame there?


You are Kuwaiti, so it is understandable that you would defend Kuwait, even blindly.

There are so many things wrong and naive in what you said, that I don't even know where to start, so I am not going to bother trying. For starters, "Abundant wealth never hurt anyone"... have you been going through life so far with eyes and ears closed? Or I guess you have a different definition of "hurt".
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheikh radlinrol wrote:
miski wrote:


Lack of good curricula?- well 99% of curricula are exactly the same or based on UK/US so, who's to blame there?


99% ??

Details please.


99% ??????

Come on, Miski. Details, please.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

miski wrote:
Abundant wealth never hurt anyone except the 'whingers' who don't have it.
What on earth are you talking about????????????????
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miski



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheikh radlinrol wrote:
miski wrote:


Lack of good curricula?- well 99% of curricula are exactly the same or based on UK/US so, who's to blame there?


99% ??

Details please.


Most English schools in Kuwait simply download QVA documents and guidelines and implement these in course outlines and content from KG to IGCSE. Most US schools use curricula from one or more US states- making room of course for the standard Kuwait designed Arabic, Deen and Social Studies input.

There is NO Kuwait curricula for private schools.....they use a UK or US one.Check it out.
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miski



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trapezius wrote:

You are Kuwaiti, so it is understandable that you would defend Kuwait, even blindly.

There are so many things wrong and naive in what you said, that I don't even know where to start, so I am not going to bother trying. For starters, "Abundant wealth never hurt anyone"... have you been going through life so far with eyes and ears closed? Or I guess you have a different definition of "hurt".[/quote]

I am also British Trap and I don't defend anyone blindly.......I don't see what is wrong with being rich, and I don't ( having taught in the country for 15 years) see that the standard of education ( input of the qualified teachers and behaviour of the students) is any worse than the UK.

There are rich in the world and there are poor.A fact of life. Check out the Kuwait Fund and other charitable institutions in that country.See how much aid Kuwait sends each year to countries in need.
Oh but that's right, you'd rather blab on in a jealous rant simply because the people of that country have a better life than you do or probably ever will have. Just admit it.You're jealous and if you were offered a bit of that wealth tomorrow you wouldn't say no.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. Still curious about the 99%
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