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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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So the choice is:
A party who wears a mask and appears as a democratic party but behind them they have another more authoritarian agenda.
That accounts for nearly every mainstream electoral party in Turkey and the rest of the world.
You choose what's behind the mask.
Sharia/Coup/Imperialism/Fascism...
They are all as bad as each other. There is no lesser evil. |
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007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The Truth wrote: |
| A further point to remember is that what is making a lot of people uncomfortable is not just the headscarf itself but the fact that the constitution is being changed - there is a feeling that the present government is abusing its position - we have a pro islamic law prime minister and president (check their backgrounds). |
No problem, this is Democracy, and let the Turkish people have their final word and to vote whatever they want.
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| Military coup around the corner? |
No, not this time. Big brothers are watching! 
Just wait and see. |
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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windstar
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I have to disagree with the previous poster about the incident allegedly took place in Turkey. The news has been "corrected". They were all set-up by like-minded people to agitate, to frighten people of changes, to keep status quo contrary to the common consensus. People supporting headscarf freedom represent 70 to 80 per cent of the population and MP's ratio is not less than this. It is only rich club party -chp- that opposes. Please be just and respect democracy.
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Lewis Collins' tortoise
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| windstar wrote: |
| I have to disagree with the previous poster about the allegedly took place in Turkey. The news has been "corrected". They were all set-up by like-minded people to agitate, to frighten people of changes, to keep status quo contrary to the common consensus. People supporting headscarf freedom represent 70 to 80 per cent of the population and MP's ratio is not less than this. It is only rich club party -chp- that opposes. Please be just and respect democracy. |
I never quoted it as my view just posted it as something to raise the issue.
I think it's quite clear where I stand.
Freedom to wear what you want.
I assume you don't disagree with that. |
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FGT
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According to the BBC today several universities are refusing to allow students wearing headscarves to attend university, even though the law has been changed.
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| Local media reported three universities in Istanbul, two in Ankara and five in the western city of Izmir have maintained the ban, along with universities in six other cities. |
I can only think of five universities in Izmir (Ege, Dokuz Eylul, Economics, Yasar, Technology Institute) so this amounts to a total ban.
As far as I understand the debate, the secularists are afraid that the removal of the ban is the thin end of the wedge and they fear that in due course it will become compulsory to wear a headscarf. If that is the case, surely their argument is with the politicians and the AK party. I see no reason why undergraduates should be deprived of an education to which they are legally and academically entitled, whether they are wearing a headscarf or not (under the terms of the changed law) unless it is that the secularists wish to punish/hamper people of an outwardly visible Islamic persuasion. |
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Pir Maimun
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: The headscarf issue |
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In Islam there is no pressure to force a woman to dress with a specific form of dress; it is by conviction not pressurization! |
Spoken like an idealist. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world. |
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Pir Maimun
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I would remind you that 99% of Turkish population is Muslim, of whom a majority belong to the Sunni branch of Islam. |
The Turks I know, who include atheists, alevis, religious skeptics, agnostics, deists etc. , get a real laugh out of that one. Nobody bothered to ask them their religious views, but they are all identified as muslim on their identity cards. |
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windstar
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lets look from a pessimist perspective, AKP + MHP and some smaller parties = 75 per cent. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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And?
Not everyone who voted for AKP did so for their religious agenda ... some did so for their economic policies .. and some for a piece of gold .. |
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the ottoman
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| I think one needs to look at the war of independence and Ataturk's reforms... Only then can we understand why the secularists are reacting the way they are.... |
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TeachEnglish
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Sooooo... the government is giving them back the headscarf.. but takes away Youtube.. what's wrong with these people?  |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: |
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...And now the secularists and the generals want to ban the AK party because of the headscarf issue!!! What a joke!
"The headscarf reform has been hotly debated in TurkeyThe case against the AKP runs to 162 pages: a long list of what the chief prosecutor says is proof the government has an Islamic agenda. "
"The chief prosecutor earlier filed a petition calling for the party to be banned for "anti-secular activities". The case revives a battle between Turkey's secularist establishment and the AK Party of devout Muslims."
"Staunch secularists fear that is a first step to an Islamic state - by a party whose leaders once espoused political Islam, the BBC's Sarah Rainsford reports from Istanbul. "
"This case has revealed a systemic error in the Turkish constitutional framework... There is much at stake in the handling of this issue
Olli Rehn, EU Enlargement Commissioner .
"In EU member states the kind of political issues referred to in this case are debated in the parliament and decided through the ballot box, not in court rooms," said a statement from EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn on Monday." EU Enlargement Commissioner
Source: http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/110883/diff/2/3
It seems the Generals and their puppets are playing with fire......let's wait and see..... |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| With your terrorist user name, we know where your sympathies lie ... |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Sheikh Inal Ovar wrote: |
| With your terrorist user name, we know where your sympathies lie ... |
Do you think he looks like a terrorist, Sheikh Pasha Afandi?
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