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| Is Shane the best of the big schools in Japan? |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| LSK, didn't work for Sahne's, but for a different crappy eikaiwa. Seems about the same situation wise. Poor quality teaching materials, no help from corp, lying about 'teaching concepts', and so on. |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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The reason Dave's gets away with hosting forums that dis their clients (advertisers) is that the more negative such threads are, generally the less substance they contain and the less they influence someone's decision. I was considering Disney English until at last I located one comment with any substantive criticism. The fact the recruiter who called me would neither confirm nor deny what I'd read on that post influenced my decision to look elsewhere. Had I read what I'd posted now about Shane, I would've looked elsewhere. So, read my post... before the powers that be delete it too.
If you like, I can provide you a link for one such thread where the majority of forum members actually side with a Shane DoS (defending another Shane) rather than the ranting OP on one such thread. |
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Mrguay84
Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Posts: 125
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Pitarou wrote: |
| To all those who answered the poll: I'm very interested to hear your reasons. If Shane isn't the best of the big schools, which one is, and why? |
I would also like to know this. |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Mrguay84 wrote: |
| Pitarou wrote: |
| To all those who answered the poll: I'm very interested to hear your reasons. If Shane isn't the best of the big schools, which one is, and why? |
I would also like to know this. |
Me three. Between a high level of managerial and academic professionalism or the complete lack thereof, many chain schools gravitate toward the latter at least here in China and Shane is no exception. But either end of that spectrum might be considered 'the best' depending on who your talking to.
As a matter of fact, the largest such school here in China pays Chinese teaching staff more than Shane does but FTs earn less than Shane, Longman, Disney, and EF. Their tuition is also lower. So, if you go by income, they're much worse. They're not perfect but overall compared with Shane and Longman, they're much better in terms of management, teacher training and support and curriculum. But as we're all aware, there's a lot of variance in terms of how individual schools are run. |
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littleleech
Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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No offense guys, but some of you are just whining unnecessarily.
I worked at Shane for 2 years (2010-2012). During that time they underwent a lot of changes, all of them for the better. Directors of study changed, management changed, teachers changed. Contracts changed. Even the textbooks changed (the adult ones, anyway).
Standby is a thing of the past, as is cover unless you volunteer for it, in which case you will get 15000 yen per day.
Yeah, truth be told they may not be the best place to teach in terms of advancing your career prospects but they are certainly a good place to start or just get yourself a foothold in Japan (all I was after).
In the beginning I had a lot of complaints about the place - seems everyone does initially, then you just kind of get into the swing of it. Don't be entitled about it. I'm not saying just lay down and take whatever they give you, but honestly, it isn't a hard job.
The worst thing - in my opinion - is the hours, but that's pretty much just something you have to accept if you want to work in Japan as an EFL teacher, unless you work for GABA and are shit hot. And some of the Japanese staff can be witches - they can also be extremely friendly, lovely people. It's luck of the draw, like any job.
But honestly, I don't think there's been a better time to join than now. People whinge a lot about Shane, but I look back and I'm entirely grateful for the experience - there were bumps, of course, there always are, but overall being with Shane allowed me to live in Tokyo and have the best year of my life. Nuff said. |
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Sour Grape
Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 241
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| littleleech wrote: |
No offense guys, but some of you are just whining unnecessarily.
I worked at Shane for 2 years (2010-2012). During that time they underwent a lot of changes, all of them for the better. Directors of study changed, management changed, teachers changed. Contracts changed. Even the textbooks changed (the adult ones, anyway).
Standby is a thing of the past, as is cover unless you volunteer for it, in which case you will get 15000 yen per day.
Yeah, truth be told they may not be the best place to teach in terms of advancing your career prospects but they are certainly a good place to start or just get yourself a foothold in Japan (all I was after).
In the beginning I had a lot of complaints about the place - seems everyone does initially, then you just kind of get into the swing of it. Don't be entitled about it. I'm not saying just lay down and take whatever they give you, but honestly, it isn't a hard job.
The worst thing - in my opinion - is the hours, but that's pretty much just something you have to accept if you want to work in Japan as an EFL teacher, unless you work for GABA and are shit hot. And some of the Japanese staff can be witches - they can also be extremely friendly, lovely people. It's luck of the draw, like any job.
But honestly, I don't think there's been a better time to join than now. People whinge a lot about Shane, but I look back and I'm entirely grateful for the experience - there were bumps, of course, there always are, but overall being with Shane allowed me to live in Tokyo and have the best year of my life. Nuff said. |
Thank you for that post. Seems that things have changed quite a bit since I was there.
What happens now if a teacher is unexpectedly sick, out of interest, if standby is now voluntary? If they don't get enough volunteers, what do they do when someone phones in sick? |
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mushroomyakuza
Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Posts: 140
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| If you call in sick, you don't get paid for the day. Which sucks. But as far as I'm aware they always have teachers on standby who do admin stuff when not called out to various schools. If they don't have enough teachers, I don't know. It's likely they'd ask for a doctor's note as well, even for one day. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:47 am Post subject: |
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It's more than a year since I left Shane so I might be out of date about this, but I did at least read the teachers' manual.
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| If you call in sick, you don't get paid for the day. Which sucks. |
If you're sick and you have annual leave banked, you can take that day as paid leave.
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| But as far as I'm aware they always have teachers on standby who do admin stuff when not called out to various schools. If they don't have enough teachers, I don't know. |
They call in anyone they can: Directors of Studies, Standby teacherss from other districts, and so on. If they're desperate, they'll even phone a teacher who's taking a day off and beg.
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| It's likely they'd ask for a doctor's note as well, even for one day. |
You need a doctor's note if you want to be paid on your sick day. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I think with how the economy is in Japan, coupled with the overall Japanese attitude in learning English. I don't think that it is surprising that all the big eikaiwas are not good to work for. |
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