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spiral78
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Yeah - my university faculty courses are not all about sales 
Though we do the occcasional company course, which isn't about sales exactly, but is about delivering a quality product. |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| spiral78 wrote: |
Yeah - my university faculty courses are not all about sales
Though we do the occcasional company course, which isn't about sales exactly, but is about delivering a quality product. |
Maybe I'm old-fashioned (in addition to being "oldish"), but I hate this tendency to use business jargon to describe all transactions in life, including education. The worst is referring to university students as "customers" or "consumers"!  |
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johnslat
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Dear MO39,
However, the "business jargon" (i.e. commodity, consumers, product) does make it easier to dehumanize the students and to treat them as numbers rather than as individuals.
Perhaps that's why, in my experience, such jargon seems to be especially popular among administrators.
As you can probably tell, I'm both old-fashioned and very old.
Regards,
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MO39
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Dear MO39,
However, the "business jargon" (i.e. commodity, consumers, product) does make it easier to dehumanize the students and to treat them as numbers rather than as individuals.
Perhaps that's why, in my experience, such jargon seems to be especially popular among administrators.
As you can probably tell, I'm both old-fashioned and very old.
Regards,
John |
Thanks for your right-on linguistic analysis. Maybe we should start an "oldish folks" caucus here at Dave's, to pass on our wisdom to the younger members.  |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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It's not the years, it's the mileage. I'm a fairly well worn 1973 model.
But I've been teaching for a decade, and no, my job is not about sales. It's about education.
(And the customer isn't always right.)
Best,
Justin |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
It's not the years, it's the mileage. I'm a fairly well worn 1973 model.
But I've been teaching for a decade, and no, my job is not about sales. It's about education.
(And the customer isn't always right.)
Best,
Justin |
If you add up all my years of teaching (Spanish and English), I guess I double your mileage, Justin, which means that my tires must be bald by now  !
(I agree completely. The student who gets only what he thinks he needs is the student who doesn't learn much English!) |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Posts: 1337
Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| I have an Associate Degree in Early Childhood Education as well as Global TESOL certification. I spent 6 months of 2007 in Northern China teaching English to preschoolers...my question is this - is an Associate Degree 'worth' anything in any other country other than China? |
That the degree is in early childhood education may be valuable in other countries if you're hoping to teach preschoolers; a bachelor's would be better, though.
Beyond the need for a four-year degree as a minimum requirement for a work visa in many countries, the value of a degree depends on what the degree is in. An education degree would certainly more valuable than a degree in civil engineering as the former is directly related to teaching while the latter isn't. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| spiral78 wrote: |
Yeah - my university faculty courses are not all about sales
Though we do the occcasional company course, which isn't about sales exactly, but is about delivering a quality product. |
Maybe I'm old-fashioned (in addition to being "oldish"), but I hate this tendency to use business jargon to describe all transactions in life, including education. The worst is referring to university students as "customers" or "consumers"! |
A textbook for a special education course referred to special ed. students as consumers. |
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