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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't contradict the Prof. but I question "tasty Big Mac"!

I've often thought that the likes of a) MacDonald's, b) Sanborns, c)Starbucks and d) Berltiz Twisted Evil have the perfect business model.

1) Offer an inferior product - (a,c,d)
2) Overprice it. (b,c)
3) Give terrible service (b)

Do all this and you will have people queuing at your door to buy your product, and you'll make a fortune. Somehow, I haven't managed to crack it yet!
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
I wouldn't contradict the Prof. but I question "tasty Big Mac"!

I've often thought that the likes of a) MacDonald's, b) Sanborns, c)Starbucks and d) Berltiz Twisted Evil have the perfect business model.

1) Offer an inferior product - (a,c,d)
2) Overprice it. (b,c)
3) Give terrible service (b)

Do all this and you will have people queuing at your door to buy your product, and you'll make a fortune. Somehow, I haven't managed to crack it yet!


Laughing HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Laughing

You made me laugh out loud.

No, I don't think Big Macs are the best, but at least they are consistant. Which can't be said for the likes of HH. I also agree with all of your observations about franchises and chain stores. Sanborn's is way over priced. Starbucks has always been a joke to me. Why kids and adults flock to McDonald's I just don't fathom. Berlitz is another chain school we all love to knock. Since there doesn't seem to be any current Berlitz teachers around here and it's not Mexican nobody seems to rise to the defence of poor, little Berlitz. Almost brings a tear to my eye. Almost.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Entering grades into a computer for example should be the job of the secretary, not the teachers.

If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself - and my experience, when it comes to recording grades this is especially so.
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Milenka



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfurgers wrote:
... there's nothing disrespectful about pointint out the flaws of a country...


I totally agree with you on that one. What I find disrespectful is your (and others') easy tendency to make broad generalizations.

BTW, I truly believe that the place where each of us was born is pretty much the result of pure chance. No tengo esp�ritu de ni�a h�roe.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
I wouldn't contradict the Prof. but I question "tasty Big Mac"!

Exactly, if you have to eat at one of those places, it surely has to be Carls Jr. - at least they give you something resembling food.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:


Question Question McDonalds is also a very large franchise chain. It's international in scope Razz . But the quality of the product and the service are consistant regardless of where you go to eat Cool . If it's Los Angeles, New York, Moscow, Mexico City, Lima, or Tokyo you expect to get the same tasty Smile Big Mac and you do Very Happy . Also, do the people that work at McDonalds work 50 hours a week and then get screwed on their pay? I don't think so. In fact, do you have to put in more work and hours while you're at home and not at the store Question Do you have to pre-mix shakes and do the payroll at home Question Question Question Again the answer is NO Exclamation

Funny Laughing A fast-food chain treats it's employees Shocked better than the average Mexican English school treats it's teachers Crying or Very sad both Mexican and foreign alike Mad

Now, how many will call me derisive names and what-not for pointing this out Question


Excellent excellent point! The McDonald's example says it ALL. GRACIAS!! There is NO EXCUSE for a school to not pay bennies or expect teachers to work for free. NO EXCUSE!
Thanks again for the PERFECT example! Be ready to have some rip you apart for not only pointing out a flaw in Mexico but also forshowing that there is NO EXCUSE, NO REASON for teachers to not get better pay. It shows the Mexicans running these schools are exploiting people.
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why aren't the moderators locking this forum?
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jillford64



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milenka said:
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I totally agree with you on that one. What I find disrespectful is your (and others') easy tendency to make broad generalizations.


And proceed to insult people when they don't happen to 100% agree.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself - and my experience, when it comes to recording grades this is especially so.


I agree, and if it means I'm being exploited by being asked to enter my own grades, then by all means exploit me.
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leslie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bye

Last edited by leslie on Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jillford64 wrote:
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If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself - and my experience, when it comes to recording grades this is especially so.


I agree, and if it means I'm being exploited by being asked to enter my own grades, then by all means exploit me.

Doesn't this come under the, 'included in the hourly rate' clause along with prep time, marking, tutoring, cleaning the white board etc.

Which franchises are actually owned by Mexicans anyway? I can think of a fair few that are not.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jillford64 wrote:
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If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself - and my experience, when it comes to recording grades this is especially so.


I agree, and if it means I'm being exploited by being asked to enter my own grades, then by all means exploit me.


I agree, however what school in the world does not ask teachers to be responsible for entering their own grades?? It is part of the job, as annoying as that can be.

And if one is working for little pay, and little/no benefits, and dislikes the "free" work that has to be done outside of class then....they should not be teaching. That too is part of the job, regardless of salary.
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PlayadelSoul



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the attitude of "the secretary should do it" speaks volumes.

When I look for teachers, I look for someone who will take responsibility for their students' learning process. I also want that teacher to be reflective. As a teacher enters the grades of his or her students, maybe he will notice that he had a high percentage of repeating students. Maybe the idea will occur to him that he might want to look at what he has done wrong. Maybe the scores on oral exams run higher than the norm. Is he being too liberal with his grading? Or, maybe, he can just give the lists to the secretary and not think about it, because he is off the clock.
Rolling Eyes

I have worked for quite a long time. Whether I was working with attorneys, in a classroom or pumping gas, I have always done more than the minimum expected. There are always things to do that don't show up in the job description (as far as entering grades go, this is part of the job). I have seen many people who have this attitude of entitlement and just do the bare minimum. It is the attitude where, for example, a teacher spills his coffee and knowing that the mop is in the closet right next to his classroom, he, instead, wanders around the school until he finds the cleaning lady. He then watches as she mops up his mess. Of course, he won't be refunding the 10 minutes of pay he spent searching for someone to do his "Mexican" work.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leslie wrote:
I think that everywhere in the world it is expected that professionals, like teachers, will work some of what I call "voluntary mandatory unpaid overtime". I know that my family and friends in Canada who are accountants, librarians, engineers, managers, etc. all do quite a bit of extra work after hours, and without extra pay. Perhaps the only professionals that charge for every minute are lawyers, dentists, and consultants.

As a teacher, I don't think doing extra unpaid work like going to staff meetings, lesson planning, or grading is an unreasonable request. This is the reality, even for teachers in the US and Canada. I'm not working for free, but I am fulfilling my professional responsibilities.

Having said that, if the "extra" work is excessive, which is subjective, then it can feel like your working for free.


I teach in the public school system in Canada. We have a teachers' union that negotiated our contract. We receive an annual salary, divided into twelve payments. However, we can only be asked to work two hundred days per year. If we are asked to work additional days, we must be paid 1/200th of our annual salary for each day. This month I will be paid for two extra days because I was asked to attend an orientation session before the year started. In our two hundred days, we can only be asked to work 1200 hours. Of those 1200 hours, 900(ish) are to be instructional time and 300(ish) are to be non-instructional time. Non-instructional tasks include marking, entering marks, writing individual learning plans for special-needs students, meeting with parents, supervising and coaching. Honestly, our "annual" salary is more like hourly pay multiplied by the number of hours we work each year.

That being said, payday was Friday and I was not paid. However, I trust that I will be paid shortly as I have a strong union behind me. I can't say the same for the private language school where I worked in Italy, or the the prepa where I worked in Mexico. I was truly on my own in asserting my rights.
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it ironic that the advice I got from private school owners, coordinators, recruiters and from the resident sages in this forum was that if I went on my own to teach private students, I wouldn't get paid.

Based on the stories here about private schools not paying and based on my own experience with a crooked private school owner in Tuxtla not paying, I can say I have far less problems with private students (some of whom have been with me for two years). They pay two weeks in advance every other Monday with no problem and, by the way, they pay more than HH or the other private schools where I live.

It's now not worth the Mexican management style degradation, irritation, financial desperation and extra hours for free that I suffered at private schools to even consider their offers of employment now. The only benefit I can see with them is the possibility of health insurance like ISSTE working for a state university. The health insurance I did have with a private school had a $2,500 (peso) deductible and one near had to be on death's bed to qualify for any services.
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