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tweed
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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Cold and Oppressive?
Interesting. I agree with the first bit for 7 months of the year, considering the province I live in. Oppressive? Please do not speak on behalf of all Canadians. Also, based on previous posts, which were quoted from prior posts, I must ask for you to not bash women. It is unbecoming of a twenty-first century man like yourself.
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Well, he just keeps going on and on.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| I said I don't care what convenience store clerks say to me. ... If I said that I couldn't remember what a taxi cab driver in Toronto said to me 9 months ago, would that mean that I couldn't speak English? |
No you didn�t Jason, you said that you couldn�t recall what they said, not that you didn�t care. Here's what you said, below:
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| I have no recollection of what the clerks said to me. That wasn't something I noticed. I was in a 7-11 in Downsview yesterday and I can't remember what the clerk said to me there either. I can't remember what my roommate said to me last night when I walked into the living room. |
How is anyone reading this board meant to have any faith in your comments when you, by your own admission, have such a terrible memory.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| To all newcomers: whatever you do, don't stick to the (old timer foreigner mandated) "established norms". You will get nowhere fast. |
Mmmm, good advice Jason. It is obviously far better for newcomers to ignore those who collectively have considerable experience here in Taiwan, and generally agree on what is the best thing to do; in favor of the advice given by an individual who was here for nine months, is no longer here and who is constantly at odds with every other person that posts on this board. You really aren�t making a lot of sense there Jason.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| A lot of the really scummy agents who rip off foreigers by charging schools more money to employ teachers than they pay the teachers, are old timer foreigners. It's really best to find your own way. |
Really? That�s not the song you were singing just a few weeks ago. Or did you forget that you came here through an agent and have been a proponent of newcomers using agents in the past.
Here you are singing the praises of agents.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| If you want to set something up before you go, find some agents on the web and ask them for jobs. They know of lots - watch now how many people get upset that I've recommended agents....I always use them |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| I always use recruiters, whenever I go to asia. I have never had any problems with them. |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| My point has always been, and continues to be (and I can see that Pop Fly agrees with me) that recruiters are an excellent way to FIND schools on the island. ... USE THE RECRUITER TO FIND THE SCHOOLS!! It's easy! |
Here you are advising that someone go with an agent that they were asking for info about.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| This Andrew Lin guy probably has a school for you. I would ask him for the telephone number of the school, call them, and find out where they are. |
Here you are discussing your experience with your own recruiter (agent).
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| My recruiter gave me the telephone numbers of my school...The recruiter should be fully willing and able to give you all this information at your request. |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| The people that I got in contact with through my recruiter most definately were real individuals who really worked at my school and the parent school because I met them again in person when I got on the island. I found the recruiter to have been very honest in giving me contacts. I wish I could find the guy now so I could recommend him. But seriously, if you ask for contacts, you'll probably get them. Think about what the recruiter could possibly be up to. Why would he send someone to Taiwan if there wasn't really a school? |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Tayouan Steve has not been able to accept that others may be in a different position than him... |
Err, actually Jason, in attempting to rubbish someone else you have just described yourself again. To a tee. Steve was offering his opinion. You are the one that began insulting others that happened to have an opinion on the matter that varied from your own. Get your facts straight.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| I edited that not for insults, but because I gave the same information in a different form in a subsequent post, so the first was not needed anymore. There were no insults in that post. If you can find any, please post them. |
Once again you are flip flopping around. This is what you said:
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| Another lie. Show me these posts that were edited. |
If what you meant to say was �Show me these posts that were edited, and if you do I will try to weasel my way out of it, rather than face up to it like a real man�, then why didn�t you just save us all the time and post that.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Where did you get this information? Do you know the people who run 7-11s? Do you know someone who works at one? The 7-11 at the corner of the street my appartment was on must have been breaking policy, because neither the guy nor the girl who worked there ever said anything to me or anyone else who went in there. |
After my first few days here it became apparent that I was being greeted at 7-11. After a week or so I worked out that they were saying something along the lines of �welcome� and �goodbye�. After about a month someone explained what they were saying. I am sure that this is the experience of everybody on the island � except for Jason of course who has far more important things to be worrying about. No, I don�t know the people who run 7-11. Yes, I do have two friends that work in convenience stores after their day classes. One at 7-11 and one at Family Mart. The greeting policies are in place at both chains, and they are enforced. Do you know someone who works there and has told you that the policies don�t exist, or are you just guessing that they don�t?
In your own words Jason:
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| You've made a very policy oriented argument here, but as usual given no evidence (this seems to be one of your hallmarks). ... You just make things up and write them as the truth, and doing this, you are impossible to argue with. I get the feeling that you don't care if you make sense or not. ... You've offered no proof ... you just talk like you know everything, but you give no evidence at all. |
If you have some proof that no policy exists then please feel free to back up your statements.
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| And I cannot see how "welcome for your coming" is the same as "welcome to our establishment". "coming" is a verb. "establishment" is a noun. They would not even be in the same place in a chinese sentence. They are two different sayings, and you are both wrong because they can't both be said, at the same time, everywhere, on the island. |
Well what's wrong with you then. It is pretty clear to everyone else on this board and in Taiwan for that matter that they are the same thing - why is it so difficult for you to see that. Once again you are attempting to talk your way out of being wrong, but you�re not fooling anyone!
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| You just recently judged that I didn't know any Chinese, because I didn't remember what a 7-11 clerk said to me about two years ago. |
Jason let me use your logic here. It is safe to assume that when you meet people in most western countries that they will acknowledge with a 'Hello', 'How are you?' or some other form of greeting. You may not recall exactly how each person greeted you over the years, but you do recall that they did greet you, because for them not to have done so would have been rude on their behalf. The only difference with this and the 7-11 situation is that the clerks here have two phrases that they must repeat, and the Chinese for these has already been mentioned in an earlier post. Stop attempting to argue something that you have no basis for. Should you be back in Taiwan and find that you are in fact right, then please feel free to post here. Just because you cant remember something doesn�t mean that it never happened.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| -they needed me because they were teachers, not business people, and they had never run an english school before. |
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| Neither had you! That�s exactly my point. |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| How do you know that? |
Considering that you are known for blowing your own trumpet - you just accepted that you haven�t, by not attempting to argue the point. By your own admission you were only in Taiwan for nine months so it certainly doesn�t seem feasible that you could have had hands on experience in setting up another school here during your short stay. Or did you forget to tell us all that you were actually here for many years prior to that and that you are actually fluent in Chinese.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| No, they would have employed a lawyer, which they did. Employing local chinese managers is bad advice. I hope you never try to set up a business that way. I definately wouldn't attempt to do the legal requirements for setting up a school. I would employ a lawyer, who would do it for me. Everything else I would do myself (as I did). I claim no fame. I just give advice. |
Well you have just watered down your importance in setting up the school once again. Previously you were claiming to have almost single handedly set up the school, now your role was just for giving advice. Next it will be that you were really just present at the school during the set up, and then it will be that you heard from a friend or a friend that there was a school set up. What a laugh!
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| I am starting a pool/poll. How long before JS really does realize he's run his tiny little peni..erm...pennant up his flagpole and no one's salutin'? |
Great idea Popfly but we'd have to do it by PM's. Jason�s the sort of guy that would stick it out just to attempt to 'win' again. I will be voting for a date far into the future though, as I am quite enjoying this banter. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| tweed wrote: |
Cold and Oppressive?
Interesting. I agree with the first bit for 7 months of the year, considering the province I live in. Oppressive? Please do not speak on behalf of all Canadians. Also, based on previous posts, which were quoted from prior posts, I must ask for you to not bash women. It is unbecoming of a twenty-first century man like yourself.
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It's very oppressive. Maybe you are under control and don't see it. Everything is regulated. You can't breath without rubbing up against some law or bylaw or code. Asia was so free. You could do whatever you liked. Regarding bashing women - my personal life is none of your concern. I bash as I please. They seem to like it.
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| How is anyone reading this board meant to have any faith in your comments when you, by your own admission, have such a terrible memory. |
Now this is getting stupid. Who cares what a convenience store clerk says?
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| To all newcomers: whatever you do, don't stick to the (old timer foreigner mandated) "established norms". You will get nowhere fast. |
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| Mmmm, good advice Jason. It is obviously far better for newcomers to ignore those who collectively have considerable experience here in Taiwan, and generally agree on what is the best thing to do; in favor of the advice given by an individual who was here for nine months, is no longer here and who is constantly at odds with every other person that posts on this board. You really aren�t making a lot of sense there Jason. |
Brian, it is always better to get advice from someone who has done what you are planning to do. By your own admission you have never come to Taiwan on a one way ticket. Why don't you leave the advising, in areas in which you have no experience, to those who do?
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| A lot of the really scummy agents who rip off foreigers by charging schools more money to employ teachers than they pay the teachers, are old timer foreigners. It's really best to find your own way. |
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| Really? That�s not the song you were singing just a few weeks ago. Or did you forget that you came here through an agent and have been a proponent of newcomers using agents in the past. |
As usual, you misinterpret me. I said use agents to find you schools. Not use scummy foreigner agents to rip you off. Once you have the school, call them and deal with them directly. If you cannot get the school's number from the agent, move on.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| I edited that not for insults, but because I gave the same information in a different form in a subsequent post, so the first was not needed anymore. There were no insults in that post. If you can find any, please post them. |
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| Once again you are flip flopping around. This is what you said: |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Another lie. Show me these posts that were edited. |
You said I edited for insults. I said I didn't. I was right.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Where did you get this information? Do you know the people who run 7-11s? Do you know someone who works at one? The 7-11 at the corner of the street my appartment was on must have been breaking policy, because neither the guy nor the girl who worked there ever said anything to me or anyone else who went in there. |
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| After my first few days here it became apparent that I was being greeted at 7-11. After a week or so I worked out that they were saying something along the lines of �welcome� and �goodbye�. After about a month someone explained what they were saying. I am sure that this is the experience of everybody on the island � except for Jason of course who has far more important things to be worrying about. No, I don�t know the people who run 7-11. Yes, I do have two friends that work in convenience stores after their day classes. One at 7-11 and one at Family Mart. The greeting policies are in place at both chains, and they are enforced. Do you know someone who works there and has told you that the policies don�t exist, or are you just guessing that they don�t? |
No I am saying (yawn) that they didn't exist where I lived, and since (bored) you don't live where I lived, and since you live in (yawn) Taipei, that it is quite possible that 7-11 clerks in Taipei could be subject to policies that 7-11 clerks in Fengyuang weren't subject to. Why is this logic so hard for you?
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| And I cannot see how "welcome for your coming" is the same as "welcome to our establishment". "coming" is a verb. "establishment" is a noun. They would not even be in the same place in a chinese sentence. They are two different sayings, and you are both wrong because they can't both be said, at the same time, everywhere, on the island. |
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| Well what's wrong with you then. It is pretty clear to everyone else on this board and in Taiwan for that matter that they are the same thing - why is it so difficult for you to see that. Once again you are attempting to talk your way out of being wrong, but you�re not fooling anyone! |
Yup, establishment and coming mean the same thing in Chinese. I'm not stupid Brian.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| You just recently judged that I didn't know any Chinese, because I didn't remember what a 7-11 clerk said to me about two years ago. |
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| Jason let me use your logic here. It is safe to assume that when you meet people in most western countries that they will acknowledge with a 'Hello', 'How are you?' or some other form of greeting. You may not recall exactly how each person greeted you over the years, but you do recall that they did greet you, because for them not to have done so would have been rude on their behalf. The only difference with this and the 7-11 situation is that the clerks here have two phrases that they must repeat, and the Chinese for these has already been mentioned in an earlier post. Stop attempting to argue something that you have no basis for. Should you be back in Taiwan and find that you are in fact right, then please feel free to post here. Just because you cant remember something doesn�t mean that it never happened. |
Should I ever happen to care what a 7-11 clerk says to me, I will quite willingly concede that I have decended to whatever level you habitually live at.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| -they needed me because they were teachers, not business people, and they had never run an english school before. |
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| Neither had you! That�s exactly my point. |
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| How do you know that? |
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| Considering that you are known for blowing your own trumpet - you just accepted that you haven�t, by not attempting to argue the point. By your own admission you were only in Taiwan for nine months so it certainly doesn�t seem feasible that you could have had hands on experience in setting up another school here during your short stay. Or did you forget to tell us all that you were actually here for many years prior to that and that you are actually fluent in Chinese. |
I've been around Asia and done a few things.
| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| No, they would have employed a lawyer, which they did. Employing local chinese managers is bad advice. I hope you never try to set up a business that way. I definately wouldn't attempt to do the legal requirements for setting up a school. I would employ a lawyer, who would do it for me. Everything else I would do myself (as I did). I claim no fame. I just give advice. |
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| Well you have just watered down your importance in setting up the school once again. Previously you were claiming to have almost single handedly set up the school, now your role was just for giving advice. Next it will be that you were really just present at the school during the set up, and then it will be that you heard from a friend or a friend that there was a school set up. What a laugh! |
No I've just shown you how easy it is to do. If you weren't such a catty and petty person, you'd forget about arguing with me, and go set yourself up a school and start making some serious money. With your (supposed) chinese skills (you even understand 7-11 clerk greetings) you wouldn't even need a chinese girlfriend to work as your translator for free.
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| I am starting a pool/poll. How long before JS really does realize he's run his tiny little peni..erm...pennant up his flagpole and no one's salutin'? |
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| Great idea Popfly but we'd have to do it by PM's. Jason�s the sort of guy that would stick it out just to attempt to 'win' again. I will be voting for a date far into the future though, as I am quite enjoying this banter. |
Yeah, you would get enjoyment out of arguing about nothing. |
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ho-Hum....  You really aren't fooling anyone Jason, especially those of us who live here.
Oh, BTW, you learned essentially NO mandarin here. It's pretty obvious. Why try to deny it? What the 7-11 (as well as the employees of most stores and restaurants) say to you is really, really basic stuff. Don't say you don't recall what they said. You heard it everywhere you went, just like all of us currently HERE do everyday. The only difference is, you didn't understand it.
Also, I don't assert that you "need" a return ticket to come here. I just believe they make more sense financially as one ways are better than 3/4 the price of returns (still no hard evidence from you to the contrary. I'll assume you've conceded that point J-S). Lo and behold! You can get here on a one-way ticket. Point taken (many weeks ago. talk about a horse corpse getting boots). Thanks for that. Now kindly drop the matter.
Why continue to argue with people here? I'll say it again (like it's been said a million times by now): this site is not relevent to your life now. Your knowledge of this place, little as it was, is growing more out-of-date every day you're back in Canada. Your time here is fast becoming a memory. Time to move on. Leave giving advice to those who have some to give. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ho-Hum.... You really aren't fooling anyone Jason, especially those of us who live here. |
Your attempts to dominate an entire island are laughable. I'm sure the Chinese find you endlessly funny. I will continue to give advice to people who might want to hear what I have to say. But I don't think I'll keep responding to you as comprehensively as I have in the past, as your lack of intelligence and thick headedness make you a person to whom it is a waste of time to attempt to communicate.
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| Oh, BTW, you learned essentially NO mandarin here. It's pretty obvious. Why try to deny it? What the 7-11 (as well as the employees of most stores and restaurants) say to you is really, really basic stuff. Don't say you don't recall what they said. You heard it everywhere you went, just like all of us currently HERE do everyday. The only difference is, you didn't understand it. |
Oh, BTW, trying to see how much language someone has learned by looking to see if they remember what convenience store clerks may or may not have said to them, two years ago, is a ridiculous thing to do. As such, I will not reduce myself to your level and attempt to argue this point with you. It is just too stupid.
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| Also, I don't assert that you "need" a return ticket to come here. I just believe they make more sense financially as one ways are better than 3/4 the price of returns (still no hard evidence from you to the contrary. I'll assume you've conceded that point J-S). Lo and behold! You can get here on a one-way ticket. Point taken (many weeks ago. talk about a horse corpse getting boots). Thanks for that. Now kindly drop the matter. |
Yeah, as usual, I tell you why I keep saying you don't need a return ticket, and as usual, you ignore me.
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| Why continue to argue with people here? I'll say it again (like it's been said a million times by now): this site is not relevent to your life now. Your knowledge of this place, little as it was, is growing more out-of-date every day you're back in Canada. Your time here is fast becoming a memory. Time to move on. Leave giving advice to those who have some to give. |
Tayoan Steve: You are not God. You are also not in charge of Taiwan, or ESL in Taiwan, or this discussion forum. As you are none of these things, kindly stop telling me what to do. |
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brian
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| You said I edited for insults. I said I didn't. I was right. |
No, I didn�t Jason. Do you even read posts before responding to them? Here is what I said:
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| Yes, it�s true. Jason has been back through and edited some of his previous posts. Obviously he concedes that there is stuff in there that shouldn�t be. |
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| No I am saying (yawn) that they didn't exist where I lived, and since (bored) you don't live where I lived, and since you live in (yawn) Taipei, that it is quite possible that 7-11 clerks in Taipei could be subject to policies that 7-11 clerks in Fengyuang weren't subject to. Why is this logic so hard for you? |
Because it is ridiculous. Everyone knows that the process behind chains such as 7-11 is uniformity. They are based on the concept that clients know what they will be getting, no matter which franchise store they step into. You stated in the beginning that you didnt recall what they said. Then you stated that you didnt care. Then you stated that there was no policy about what they said. Now you are stating that they didnt have the policies in the actual 7-11 that you went to. Jason....Jason... Jason....tsk, tsk, tsk.
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| I've been around Asia and done a few things. |
I think that the owners of your school had been around Asia for longer than you. At least they were smart enough to conceed that this didn't automatically qualify them as experts in opening an English language school. Maybe you could actually learn from their example.
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| I'm not stupid Brian. |
Errr. Uhhh. Nah, I won't. I'll leave it unsaid!
Jason, once again you have attempted to disparage others, and in doing so have described yourself. See below:
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| Your attempts to dominate an entire island are laughable. |
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| You are not God. You are also not in charge of Taiwan, or ESL in Taiwan, or this discussion forum. As you are none of these things, kindly stop telling me what to do. |
Ah, now you have very aptly described how we all feel about you. See below:
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| But I don't think I'll keep responding to you as comprehensively as I have in the past, as your lack of intelligence and thick headedness make you a person to whom it is a waste of time to attempt to communicate. |
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| As such, I will not reduce myself to your level and attempt to argue this point with you. It is just too stupid. |
Jason I have noticed that you have been reduced to offering nothing more than quips and snide remarks of posts made by others. All negative stuff and nothing constructive. As you feel that your advice is so valuable why not get over this issue with others and start to proffer something that could actually be useful to the readership of this board.
I think that Steve has hit the nail on the head. Once someone leaves the island their advice becomes less and less useful, no matter who they are or how long they were here. Most would accept this and move on to bigger and better things. For some reason Jason has made the decision to try to hold onto a little piece of the past. Nobody really knows why, but it does seem to say much about his current life. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| No I am saying (yawn) that they didn't exist where I lived, and since (bored) you don't live where I lived, and since you live in (yawn) Taipei, that it is quite possible that 7-11 clerks in Taipei could be subject to policies that 7-11 clerks in Fengyuang weren't subject to. Why is this logic so hard for you? |
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| Because it is ridiculous. Everyone knows that the process behind chains such as 7-11 is uniformity. They are based on the concept that clients know what they will be getting, no matter which franchise store they step into. You stated in the beginning that you didnt recall what they said. Then you stated that you didnt care. Then you stated that there was no policy about what they said. Now you are stating that they didnt have the policies in the actual 7-11 that you went to. Jason....Jason... Jason....tsk, tsk, tsk. |
I don't care. Really. I couldn't give a cr*p what they say. On Taiwan or anywhere else. It really doesn't matter to me.
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| Jason I have noticed that you have been reduced to offering nothing more than quips and snide remarks of posts made by others. All negative stuff and nothing constructive. As you feel that your advice is so valuable why not get over this issue with others and start to proffer something that could actually be useful to the readership of this board. |
-because you keep answering me, so I keep having to answer you....
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| I think that Steve has hit the nail on the head. Once someone leaves the island their advice becomes less and less useful, no matter who they are or how long they were here. Most would accept this and move on to bigger and better things. For some reason Jason has made the decision to try to hold onto a little piece of the past. Nobody really knows why, but it does seem to say much about his current life. |
Insignificant. That's what I think of you. Insignificant. |
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan
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Well, J-S, where do I begin today? To someone who wanted to bet on when J-S will stop posting: unfortunately, he doesn't show any signs of slowing or ceasing his childish insults. My bet is he will post here for at least as long as he actually lived here. That will make his "advice" incorrect and thoroughly out-of-date, but that hasn't stopped him before. I have no idea what he'll be posting about, as he has nothing to say. He doesn't live here. Perhaps he'll return to his Taipei bashing, even though he never lived there and, in the short time he was on this island, he could not have even visited it very many times. Maybe he'll still be on this particular rant.
J-S, I don't try to dominate this island. Stop making claims you have no evidence to support. And the Chinese don't laugh at me any more than they do at any other foreigner here. I'm sure they laughed at you quite a bit, though.
I think my litmus test for your Mandarin comprehension was totally appropriate and accurate. It's not as if we talking about a phrase that is used here only on occasion. This phrase is heard by everyone daily. Trust me, two years after I leave this place, it'll still be burned into my brain and I'll be able to recite it from memory. You can't "recall" it, simply because you didn't understand what was being said. It's obvious. Don't ry to say clerks where you were weren't subject to the same rules. They were. I've been all over this rock and the greetings in stores and restaurants are the same whether you're in Taipei, Kaohsiung, Hualien or anywhere else. You have claimed to have learned Mandarin in past posts and have "advised" others to learn it as you supposedly had. I effectively "outted" you to all who read this forum as someone who clearly had no understanding of the language. In so doing, I have revealed much about your actual knowledge base with regards to Taiwan.
I don't claim that one "needs" a two-way ticket to get here. I just think it makes more sense financially and it keeps you within the rules to go that route. And you ignored what I said about buying another round-trip ticket on my recent trip back top Canada. Why did I do so? I had a re-entry permit and resident visa. I didn't need to buy a flight out of Taiwan. I opted to buy a round-trip because the prices were very similar. I wouldn't save more than a couple hun Canadian by buying a one-way. Then I'd have to pay more for my next visit to the relies. I've done my homework on this. Don't even bother with a response if you're not prepared to show hard evidence. You don't need a return ticket J-S. Don't misquote me again. Return tickets just make more sense. That is my position. I have not, unlike you, been ignoring what you've been saying.
BTW J-S, notice I don't call you names. I ask for the same in return, thank you.
I'm not God J-S and I've never claimed to be. I am very quick to admit I don't know everything. I'd like to see you admit to the same, openly, on this forum. You are free to post here, just as I am. But when you post on something, expect responses. Some of them might not agree with you. Learn to get over it. Show some maturity. |
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| You don't need a return ticket J-S. Don't misquote me again. |
-thank you very much for agreeing with me. One down, one to go.
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| BTW J-S, notice I don't call you names. I ask for the same in return, thank you. |
-no, I'll keep calling you names. You're funny and you deserve it. |
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