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Justin Trullinger
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| I think the VERY approximate cost of a cert today would be 1,000 - 1,200 usd in many parts of Europe. |
That's held more steady than I knew, then. Here in Latin America, $1300-$2000 is a bit more like it.
In the US, $2000 to $3500 seems to be what I've seen...
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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No, sorry.
I've just been doing some research to update my guesses.
The cheaper generic certs (120+ hours on site, with real practice teaching and etc,) range from 800 euro on the low end to 1200 at the 'non-discounted' price. Though I reckon most courses are getting into discounting just now...
Trinity is more - here's an example
http://www.tefl.cz/TEFL-Courses-Dates-and-Prices |
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robin8989
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The typical costs I am seeing for on site, 4 week, CELTA, or SIT or Trinity, good quality courses in EU and LA, (not USA), are more in the range of 2000 -2200 usd. this price does not include accomodations.
interesting to think that wages have not increased with the price of the training. However if you look at it as an additional training to add to another degree, maybe is price approprite for what you get?
still hunting, thinking Ecaudor.
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spanglish
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Location: working on that
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, I paid $2000 here in Bogota. A year ago, a CELTA in Vancouver, B.C. cost $2500 CA. I decided to take my locally. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| I can't see teaching phonetics, phonology, or teaching pronunciation at distance, for example. |
So, how does UMASS teach any of these in its distance MA Applied Linguistics degree?
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| Also, I think that having most of the cert done at distance robs participants of another important part of training, which I call "loop input." This means that, as a teacher trainer, I'm constantly modeling classroom techniques which are applicable to their own future classes. At distance, I just don't see how you could do this. |
What's the difference between watching your modeling in person and watching your modeling on video?
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So- for those of you involved in or who have taken blended learning courses, I've got a few questions:
Who "taught" the distance elements? How regular and supportive was your correspondence with this person and how well did you feel it worked? |
My instructor was also the DOS for the school (which, in addition to the online course, not only teaches an on-site Trinity course but also has ESL classes).
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| Who "taught" the onsite (practice teaching) portion? Who observed it? How was it? Especially, how did you feel about it all being together, rather than spread out over a few weeks? |
The same person who taught the online portions of the course. Frankly, I preferred having it all together because I expect that in an actual TESL job I'd be teaching every weekday or nearly every weekday; so, doing the teaching practice all together is closer to actual on-the-job conditions than spreading it out over three or four weeks. The most difficult part, though, was preparing the lesson plans (just because I happen to find that particular process tedious - I had the same problem when I wrote lesson plans for some of my college courses). |
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spiral78
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I expect that in an actual TESL job I'd be teaching
in the correct hypothetical sense, I think
This may be the key here...many of usdon't just 'expect,' we have really done it all for some years and in many contexts. The hands-on coursework is really important for the newbie level training, I will continue to maintain. From my perspective of working on training courses and teaching in several different EFL and ESL contexts over 12 plus years. |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Justin Trullinger wrote:
I can't see teaching phonetics, phonology, or teaching pronunciation at distance, for example.
So, how does UMASS teach any of these in its distance MA Applied Linguistics degree? |
Clearly, I don't know. I'm not involved with UMASS. But any applied linguistics masters degree isn't entry level- it is quite different to teach people who already have some basics in the area. THere's a lot of physical showing, seens, and doing in these areas.
I can tell you that the course related to these things in my masters degree depend on my own research in the area. But I am not a novice who needs to be introduced to elementary concepts.
The UMASS thing is the same problem I've been talking about for a while. The fact that a respected university does something doesn't mean that it's always right, nor does it mean that everyone does it as well as that university. Has anyone here done a UMASS TESOL cert? You seem to be arguing that if somebody respected (in this case UMASS) does something (in this case a distance course), then whenever anybody does the same thing, it must be as good as UMASS. I just don't buy it.
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Also, I think that having most of the cert done at distance robs participants of another important part of training, which I call "loop input." This means that, as a teacher trainer, I'm constantly modeling classroom techniques which are applicable to their own future classes. At distance, I just don't see how you could do this.
What's the difference between watching your modeling in person and watching your modeling on video?
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Erm, interaction? PArticipation? involvement? Not sitting on your duff watching?
Also feedback. As a teacher, when you're there in front of me, I can see what you're getting. If I make a video, I can't look out of it.
This is the fundamental difference I'm seeing- you're making references here to participants watching the trainer. That isn't how I teach. (being watched.) It's activity and interactivity. THere's participation. There's productivity.
Relatively little time is spent watching me. The "watching me" bits probably could be done by video. But trust me, I really didn't make it as a movie star for a reason.
More to the point, video, being as it is a passive experience, simply isn't, in my rather well informed experience, an adequate substitute for being there. Seeing simply isn't the same thing as doing.
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nickpellatt
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| Just adding a comment with regard to course costs; I took a Trinity just over a year ago in the UK. It was �925. I have seen the course provider advertising this year at the same price. |
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norwalkesl
Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
Those who would throw out a CV just because they're not familiar with the course provider are like people who say "Well, I've never heard of State University of New York at Stony Brook (just as an example, you could enter the name of any relatively unknown government university), so, I'm not even going to consider this person to have a degree."
It's a matter of time. I have 50 CVs, one position, 28 hours of teaching to do in addition to considering possible candidates for one freelance job...No, I'm not going to take the time to research an unknown TEFL cert.
A university, as Justin notes, is a lot easier - there are official ways to find out. A cert from some private provider, not. |
Reviewing a resume takes about 30 seconds. In an industry with hundred's of non-accredited certs for sale, the only way to know is to go with the most well known, certified by the most reputable Universities.
CELTA, Trinity and SIT.
If one is a new teacher, one will need 1) a cert that will get them hired, 2) a cert that shows they are serious 3) a cert that will instruct them in the basics of how to teach, 4) peer-reviewed real time in front of real learners in the same room.
Whilst it is possible that some lesser known certs may have a better curriculum than the CELTA and make one a better teacher and instruct new teachers in more aspects and theory of the profession, time constraints (taking more than one cert is time consuming), budgetary constraints (they often have a high price tag wrt salaries), and practical constraints (employers look for the Big 3 first), realistically limit the choice of a newbie to the CELTA, then Trinity, then SIT. Is it possible one will learn more on another cert? Yes it is. Will it increase income enough to be worth it? That cost/benefit analysis needs to be done by each teacher. If you are gifted and need little instruction in classroom technique, will a blended online course be sufficient? It might.
Job markets are not about what is 'best' or the 'best degree' or 'best education', or even what makes one 'best' at their job - they are about what the employers want and look for.
In TEFL, for newbie teachers, employers look for the CELTA followed by Trinity then SIT.
If one was interested and motivated, it would be a good idea to take two certs to round out ones education. It will make one a better instructor. One of my long term plans has just this option, among others. |
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