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johnslat
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Dear trap,
But - did he PASS? Or did YOU fail him?
But you've got to admire his determination:
"OK I will try my best to get 50"!!!
Getting a 50 out of a possible 40 isn't too easy.
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scot47
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| Does your institution fail students ? How does it handle this ? The litmus test ,if you ask me. |
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trapezius
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Dear trap,
But - did he PASS? Or did YOU fail him?
But you've got to admire his determination:
"OK I will try my best to get 50"!!! |
That wasn't 'determination', that is a case of dyscalculia, as far as that student goes.
And no, I didn't fail him, he failed himself. I just recorded an 'F' in the grading system! |
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Linguist
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you tell a student that they've failed ? |
"Sweetie / Dude, you need a brain transplant to pass my course.  |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Yah, then I write on his/her paper, "You're definately a looser! |
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The Lathe of Heaven
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:00 am Post subject: |
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That's a rhetorical question. Right?
TLOH |
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scot47
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This must be an insurmountable problem when it comes to Accreditation. Any accrediting body wants to know
1. How are students selected for admission ?
2. How are students deemed to have reached the level required for graduation ?
The first question can be squirmed out of by waffling about "open access", but the second......................... |
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johnslat
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Dear scot47,
"The first question can be squirmed out of by waffling about "open access", but the second........................."
Easy - to borrow a phrase from accounting: Cook the books.
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| And if they do external exams like TOEFL or IELTS ? |
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veiledsentiments
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Yes, but those are normally only used to intake. I believe that accreditation is looking more at content courses... programs, syllabus and such.
For instance when I taught accounting at HCT. The course was so dumbed down that even though we had nearly triple the hours per week and three more weeks in a semester... we covered about 30% of what would have been covered in the same course with the same textbook in the US.
That is the sort of stuff that needs to be "cooked" to get accreditation from an outside organization.
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Cleopatra
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| The course was so dumbed down that even though we had nearly triple the hours per week and three more weeks in a semester... we covered about 30% of what would have been covered in the same course with the same textbook in the US |
I also taught content courses and found the same thing.
Honestly, I think a large part of the problem is teaching everything through the medium of English (in theory at least). I probably should'nt be saying this - seeing as I've made a good living out of being an EFL teacher - but I am not convinced that the insistence on English medium at universities is the way forward. At least not unless they are going to put serious effort into greatly improving the standard of English teaching at school level. The notion that everyone should study at third level through a foreing language - whatever the relevance to their subject or future career - is one which I think needs a lot of examination. |
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Stephen Jones
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| but I am not convinced that the insiste.nce on English medium at universities is the way forward. |
A lot of us have been saying this for years.
I can see the point of having some elite insititutions in each country teaching in English. After all somebody has to translate the textbooks, and go to the conferences, but as practiced in Saudi it is a colossal waste of money. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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As to the original question...
"Reap the whirlwind!"
NCTBA
(God, Am I sick to death of the whiners who don't study, ergo, don't learn from their repeated mistakes! Christ! Even my nine-year-old with a learning disorder gets that!)
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kazazt
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| but I am not convinced that the insiste.nce on English medium at universities is the way forward. |
A lot of us have been saying this for years.
I can see the point of having some elite insititutions in each country teaching in English. After all somebody has to translate the textbooks, and go to the conferences, but as practiced in Saudi it is a colossal waste of money. |
To add to the colossal waste of money:
saudisation
high schools
technical colleges
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veiledsentiments
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| Stephen Jones wrote: |
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| but I am not convinced that the insiste.nce on English medium at universities is the way forward. |
A lot of us have been saying this for years.
I can see the point of having some elite insititutions in each country teaching in English. After all somebody has to translate the textbooks, and go to the conferences, but as practiced in Saudi it is a colossal waste of money. |
As it is practiced from one end of the Gulf to the other. And we have all discussed this at various times either on this board, in faculty rooms, or by email. But... we were never asked before they made this decision... nor have any of us been asked since... at least not by anyone who has the power to change it.
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