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MA TESOL with NO undergraduate degree....potential problems?
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santi84



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMcK wrote:
Certainly I can speak for the degree I've been accepted on, and like I said, it's attending a top university.

They certainly had their reservations about accepting me, and I had to satisfy them that I would devote all of my time to it, as well as be able to write academically. But I think generally there are a lot of unis who offer this entry route to certain degrees, so I don't think it's necessarily any shadow on the quality of the degree.


Thanks, DMcK. Just curious, as it's a new concept to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sudz wrote:
Hi DMcK,

I can only speak for Japan, but I can confirm that the lack of BA will be a factor in SOME circumstances.

As an example: I had an interview with a university in Tokyo. I didn't mention my lack of BA prior to the interview, and - when asked about my BA - my explanation raised some eyebrows during the interview. I later got an email from the foreign interviewer that my unusual route raised some suspicion with his Japanese colleagues, and that it had considerable influence on their decision not to hire me. He then asked me to provide an email which included my transcripts (which I did bring to the interview, but neglected to show), and an in-depth explanation of my route to the MA (which he found sufficient). As a follow-up: I actually just received an email from that university about a week ago asking whether or not I would be interested in a potential position in the future.

Based of this experience, I decided to mention my unusual route explicitly BEFOREHAND from then on (but not dwelling on it too much). I'm now currently working at a private high school in Kyoto, and I likely wouldn't have landed the job without having the MA.

So, given your circumstances (including your age), I would be reluctant to dissuade you from the MA-only route (given the amount of time it would take to earn the BA on top of it). While it will be an issue in some circumstances, if you highlight your experience and MA, you'll likely wind up with something you're satisfied with.


Nice one, thanks Sudz. Would you say for sure that your earnings potential increased after doing your MA? And what about your skills overall - I mean everyone seems to look at it as a pathway to a better job, but I rather see it as learning my trade more and being able to offer more in my capacity as an English teacher. Do you reckon you are much better for it?

santi84 wrote:
Thanks, DMcK. Just curious, as it's a new concept to me.


No problem santi..Not having a first degree, I've been aware of this route since I first looked into the CELTA back in the day.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skill-wise, somewhat better off (this will vary depending on where you do your MA, and how much of a practical, hands on component there is to it). In terms of job earning potential, much more so (considering I'm going from not having any kind of a degree, to a related MA).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, going by the limitations I've experienced with no degree (although still having had very good gigs), and looking at the jobs advertised in various locations, I certainly have no concerns that doing an MA won't open enough of those tricky double locked doors to make it worthwhile.
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